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Re: Islamic terrorism statistics
Reply #75 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:37pm

Actually, it looks like FD’s been thinking for himself since 2007:

freediver wrote on Nov 7^th, 2007 at 11:37am:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1183184822/34#34

a total of 498 terrorist attacks were committed in Europe during 2006. Those 498 attacks are broken up as follows:
* Separatist - 424 attacks
* Left Wing - 55 attacks
* Right Wing - 1 attack
* Islamic - 1 attack
* Other/Non-Specified - 17 attacks

Some things change, and some stay the same.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

On stilts.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48844 At my desk.	Re: Islamic terrorism statistics Reply #76 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:38pm How far back in time do you have to go, in the US and Europe, before the total from all types of non-Muslim terrorism combined matches the death toll from 9/11, and the later attacks in Europe? Why do all those statistics so steadfastly avoid addressing the issue of death toll?
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Reply #77 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:10pm

And this is you, addressing the statistics in 2007:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 12:38pm:

How far back in time do you have to go, in the US and Europe, before the total from all types of non-Muslim terrorism combined matches the death toll from 9/11, and the later attacks in Europe?

Why do all those statistics so steadfastly avoid addressing the issue of death toll?

Not sure, FD. How far back in time do we have to go to suggest this -

FD thanking a poster for posting the report we're discussing in this thread:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 9:46am:

Thanks skeptic, that really says it all. Some people like to blow certain issues way out of proportion.

Or this -

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 3:10pm:

My contention is if there were no attacks by muslins, there would be few if any by seperatists.

Where on earth did you get that idea from? Islamic terrorism is fairly new in the west. The separatist stuff has been going on for ages - pretty much for as long as there have been empires and nation states in Europe. The separatist stuff is at the opposite end of it's life, with most movements engaged in peace movements with significant potential.
The seperatist one woud prob be in retaliation to , or prompted bny muslims killing french people.

Do you know what separatist means in this context?

freediver - I believe islam terrorism is done by muslims who correctly interperet the koran.

Despite claims to the contrary from people with far more experience in dealing with terrorism?

That is in agreeance to what hilali stated

Hilali has been rejected by his own peers.

Or this -

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 4:32pm:

seperatists want their own country cause theirs is being taken over by islam

No. Not everything is about Islam sprint, even if you try to make it so. Islamic terrorists want their own country because the west is interfering in the middle east. The separatists mentioned in the report would be non-muslim groups in Europe rebelling against the expansionist Christian empires.
freediver - islam has always been violent.

Not to any greater extent than other religions.

It is getting more violent.

Hence it is not soemthing inherent to the religion - as is usually the case there are other factors.

hilali had studied it for decades, he was their elected spokesman for all of aussie.

Until he started sprouting crap.

those dealing with terrorists are trying to placate everyone.

The people who you quoted above who disagree with you are the ones locking them up. And besides, it's a far better idea than winding people up for no good reason.

How do you know what they really think ?

How do you? There is more than enough in human nature to make people violent. There is no need to recourse to religion and to do so usually oversimplifies the problem in way that make it worse.

Why don't the "moderates" just chat with the "extremists" and show them where they have misinterpreeted it ?
Would the hamas not have discovered their error in the past 30 years ??

Talk about oversimplification.... You think differences in interpretations and people using religion to back political goals is something that can just be ended over a cup of tea? FYI, Muslims have been trying to 'chat' with the west about the US getting out of the middle east for a long time. Do you think the US listened? You yourself sprout all this nonsense about your interpretation of Islam. How many Muslims have you spoken to about it?

How far back in time?

7 years.

Which is strange, because the report you were praising 7 years ago was exactly the same report you're condemning today.

7 years ago, you said this:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 9:46am:

Some people like to blow certain issues way out of proportion.

Today, you say this:

freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 9:24pm:

ian wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 9:21pm:

i also posted statistics and a source to back up my claim, you dispute them. Fair enough, post your source.

My stance is that you are full of crap, your statistics do not in any way back up your original claim, and they grossly misrepresent the threat of terrorism within Europe.

I think we need a new Wiki, FD.

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Reply #78 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:27pm

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No. Not everything is about Islam sprint, even if you try to make it so. Islamic terrorists want their own country because the west is interfering in the middle east. The separatists mentioned in the report would be non-muslim groups in Europe rebelling against the expansionist Christian empires.

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Talk about oversimplification.... You think differences in interpretations and people using religion to back political goals is something that can just be ended over a cup of tea? FYI, Muslims have been trying to 'chat' with the west about the US getting out of the middle east for a long time. Do you think the US listened? You yourself sprout all this nonsense about your interpretation of Islam. How many Muslims have you spoken to about it?

Wow.

I mean just totally WOW.

Freediver is one of the very few people I've ever seen on a forum develop his ideology from a tolerant progressive, common-sense world view to one of complete irrational hatred and bigotry. He has basically become an exact carricature of everything he despised and argued against

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #79 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

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No. Not everything is about Islam sprint, even if you try to make it so. Islamic terrorists want their own country because the west is interfering in the middle east. The separatists mentioned in the report would be non-muslim groups in Europe rebelling against the expansionist Christian empires.

Quote:

Talk about oversimplification.... You think differences in interpretations and people using religion to back political goals is something that can just be ended over a cup of tea? FYI, Muslims have been trying to 'chat' with the west about the US getting out of the middle east for a long time. Do you think the US listened? You yourself sprout all this nonsense about your interpretation of Islam. How many Muslims have you spoken to about it?

Wow.

I mean just totally WOW.

Freediver is one of the very few people I've ever seen on a forum develop his ideology from a tolerant progressive, common-sense world view to one of complete irrational hatred and bigotry. He has basically become an exact carricature of everything he despised and argued against

No no, G, FD just believes in thinking for himself.

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Reply #80 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:03pm

Meanwhile the bloodshed continues in the lands of the muslim. (no one knows why, it's got nothing to do with the malevolent degeneracy of, islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an has it?)

Known muslim terrorist groups:

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)

Afghan Taliban

Al-Nusrah Front

Al-Qa‘ida

Al-Shabaab

Al-Qa‘ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)

Al-Qa‘ida in Iraq (AQI)

Al-Qa‘ida in the Lands of the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)

Boko Haram

The Imirat Kavkaz

HAMAS

Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin

Hizballah

The Islamic Jihad Union (IJU

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)

Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)

Jemaah Anshorut Tauhid (JAT)

Jemaah Islamiya (JI)

The Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)

Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT)

Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan (TTP)

Al-Mulathamun Battalion and its subordinate unit al-Muwaqi‘un Bil-Dima

Al-Tawhid Wal Jihad in West Africa (TWJWA),

Counterterrorism 2014 Govt site

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Reply #81 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:15pm

moses wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:03pm:

Meanwhile the bloodshed continues in the lands of the muslim. (no one knows why, it's got nothing to do with the malevolent degeneracy of, islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an has it?)

Absolutely not. You pay attention to FD.

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2007 at 4:32pm:

No. Not everything is about Islam sprint, even if you try to make it so. Islamic terrorists want their own country because the west is interfering in the middle east. The separatists mentioned in the report would be non-muslim groups in Europe rebelling against the expansionist Christian empires.

We need to respect the facts here, Moses. FD has addressed your very point.

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2007 at 11:04am:

Is it correct to say every murdering terrorist is a muslim ?
And every religious terrorist is a muslim ?

No and no.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when you try to tell a Muslim what Islam is all about.

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Reply #83 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

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when you try to tell a Muslim what Islam is all about.

Trully no words.

FD would never do that, G. After all:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2007 at 3:05pm:

Islamic legal systems are also based on justice.

We do not have to be happy to leave people as they are. That is the whole idea behind our intervention in remote aboriginal communities. All legal systems involve people imposing their ideas of what is acceptable behaviour on others.

Are you happy to set a precedent whereby the government dictates what sets of beliefs are acceptable?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic terrorism statistics Reply #84 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:31pm Karnal wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:37pm: No no, G, FD just believes in thinking for himself. Indeed - and as we all know, 'thinking for himself' involves shutting his ears to anything any muslim says except Abu and Falah.
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Islamic terrorism statistics Reply #86 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:04pm You've twigged to it Wally 1. It's a Zionist plot to turn all the mosques into intensive piggeries. Think of the money them Jews are going to make when they corner the pork market.
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Reply #87 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

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No. Not everything is about Islam sprint, even if you try to make it so. Islamic terrorists want their own country because the west is interfering in the middle east. The separatists mentioned in the report would be non-muslim groups in Europe rebelling against the expansionist Christian empires.

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Talk about oversimplification.... You think differences in interpretations and people using religion to back political goals is something that can just be ended over a cup of tea? FYI, Muslims have been trying to 'chat' with the west about the US getting out of the middle east for a long time. Do you think the US listened? You yourself sprout all this nonsense about your interpretation of Islam. How many Muslims have you spoken to about it?

Wow.

I mean just totally WOW.

Freediver is one of the very few people I've ever seen on a forum develop his ideology from a tolerant progressive, common-sense world view to one of complete irrational hatred and bigotry. He has basically become an exact carricature of everything he despised and argued against

What is so irrational about this?

How far back in time do you have to go, in the US and Europe, before the total from all types of non-Muslim terrorism combined matches the death toll from 9/11, and the later attacks in Europe?

Why do all those statistics so steadfastly avoid addressing the issue of death toll?

Very simple questions, and the death toll is the more appropriate measure of the terrorism threat, don't you think? I even brought up the different in 'magnitude' of the terrorist attacks in my 'tolerant and progressive' days as an explanation for why the statistics paint such a different picture from the perception of the terrorist threat.

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Reply #88 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:25pm

Christian Terror Organisations

IRA
Sinn Fein
Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Klu Klux Klan
National Liberation Front of Tripura
Army of God
Aryan Nations
Aryan Republican Army
Lord's Resistance Army
Hutaree
Anti-balaka
Red Hand Defenders
Golden Dawn
National Socialist Council of Nagaland (Issac-Muivah faction)
Loyalist Volunteer Force
Ulster Defence Association
Uslter Volunteer Force
The Covenant
The Sword
Arm of the Lord
Defensive Action
United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia
The Freemen Community
ETA
Fianna Éireann
The US has committed many terrorist activities such as the 1980 bombing of Bologna train station which killed 85 and wounded more than 200, or the shooting down of Iran Flight 655 which killed 290 people.

There are also Jewish terrorist organisations such as
JDL
Kach
Kahane Chai
Irgun
Stern Gang
Kingdom of Israel group
Brit HaKanaim
Bat Ayin
Keshet
Gush Emunim
The Israeli Government and the people who formed it have also conducted many terrorist operations such as the Baghdad bombings in the 1950's, Operation Susannah against US interests in Egypt, King David Hotel Bombing.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48844 At my desk.	Re: Islamic terrorism statistics Reply #89 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:37pm That's a nice long list. Are you sure you couldn't break them up into smaller subgroups? How does the death toll compare with Islamic terrorism?
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