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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #30 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 6:46am
 
Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2012 at 10:53am:
Defending Islam, with violence: Trial of Salafist man rivets GermanyThe judge asks him to "imagine you are a policeman and it’s your job to ensure order. In your eyes, would you be a justified target?"

"Yes," says Murat K., continuing: "The German state allows caricatures of Muhammad to be shown, so the police are automatically involved."

But what if a Court said it was okay for the caricatures to be shown, the judge asked. "Your values make it possible to insult the Prophet. Islam prohibits that. The price for doing that in Islam is the death sentence. You have your freedom of opinion, but as a Muslim, a believer, Islam must be my opinion."

It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1701565/Defending-Islam-with-violence-Trial-o...












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.....It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course."





These are NOT reasonable people.

Moslems are taught by their religion, that [by the fact of moslems themselves choosing to live in countries like Australia, Germany, etc] they, moslems, are being 'oppressed' [by the political state which hosts their community].

That is because, moslems [taught by ISLAMIC tenets], consider the laws of the non-moslem states that they live in, to be unjust, in applying to [in being enforced against] moslems.

Moslems want Sharia law [alone], to apply, to moslems, and moslems want Sharia law, as a very deliberate means of [oppressing] establishing moslem mastery over all non-moslems.

And every concession in law, made to moslems, by a non-moslem host community will slowly give more, and more, political power to the [guest] moslem community.

And that is a very deliberate process, that the [guest] moslem community is always working for.





REASON [i.e. a warning to us] IS HERE, FOR ALL WHO WOULD LISTEN [or read it].....


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"......he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him;"

John Locke 1632-170



John Locke 1632-1704
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1242692863/0#0





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What moslems are effectively doing [wherever they can], [within host nations] is to use intimidation and violent means to increasingly create a state of anarchy [lawlessness] in those [non-Sharia] states where they reside.



...
Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems stating, that they really are violently intolerant, of any world-view which does not coincide with their own world-view.


Because, with that accompanying lawlessness, moslems know that an 'opportunity' comes, for moslems, to change the status quo in that society in turmoil.

And that is the modus operandi of moslems/Jihad, in the West, in any society.

Create increasing societal chaos,    .....then offer stability, through empowering moslem rule and mastery, over a society.





"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #31 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 7:58am
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 6:46am:

And that is the modus operandi of moslems/Jihad, in the West, in any society.

Create increasing societal chaos,    .....then offer stability, through empowering moslem rule and mastery, over a society.





Moslems/ISLAM promise stability and 'peace', to those they wish to conquer/subdue.

But it is a false promise.

Q.
Where is the example in the world, where ISLAM has been a virtuous influence upon man ???






ISLAM produces only [political] corruption, [political] oppression, injustice, human poverty, and, dead bodies.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #32 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:01am
 
Blah blah blah hate hate hate

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Reply #33 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:13am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:01am:
Blah blah blah hate hate hate

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[Denigrate, those that you cannot argue against.]






And where is your reasoned argument, proving that what i have argued, is false or mistaken ???





Hey SPOT,

You could respond, and call me a 'racist' or a 'bigot' ?       Tongue

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.....The thing is certain ppl that turn out to be arseholes then you tell them to piss off and you get called a racist.

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......i see SPOT as an irrational, un-reasoning, and un-reasonable person.





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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #34 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:20am
 
Yadda wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:13am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:01am:
Blah blah blah hate hate hate

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[Denigrate, those that you cannot argue against.]






And where is your reasoned argument, proving that what i have argued, is false or mistaken ???





Hey SPOT,

You could respond, and call me a 'racist' or a 'bigot' ?       Tongue

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.....The thing is certain ppl that turn out to be arseholes then you tell them to piss off and you get called a racist.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1350418540/0#0






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......i see SPOT as an irrational, un-reasoning, and un-reasonable person.







HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #35 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:56am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:20am:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #36 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
This is hilarious.

Breaking news!

Not everything is about you yadda

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #37 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:55am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:20am:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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What were you talking about (if you still remember that far back)?

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Reply #38 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 12:09pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 11:55am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:20am:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you immediately drew the conclusion i was talking about you? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

SOB

What were you talking about (if you still remember that far back)?



Awww failed snipe from the peanut gallery. too bad that was a fail.

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #39 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 4:03pm
 
What the hell is wrong with you??



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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #40 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 6:12pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:01am:
Blah blah blah hate hate hate

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Forum announcement: Everyone read this post of spot's. Now read it again. This is how you get to over 9000 posts in 6 months. With a simple lobotomy and a constant stream of welfare payments, you could post this much as well.
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Reply #41 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 7:26pm
 
Soren wrote on Oct 16th, 2012 at 10:53am:
Defending Islam, with violence: Trial of Salafist man rivets GermanyThe judge asks him to "imagine you are a policeman and it’s your job to ensure order. In your eyes, would you be a justified target?"

"Yes," says Murat K., continuing: "The German state allows caricatures of Muhammad to be shown, so the police are automatically involved."

But what if a Court said it was okay for the caricatures to be shown, the judge asked. "Your values make it possible to insult the Prophet. Islam prohibits that. The price for doing that in Islam is the death sentence. You have your freedom of opinion, but as a Muslim, a believer, Islam must be my opinion."

It was at this point that Judge Reinhoff asked: "You have to use violence to defend Islamic values?" and Murat K. replied: "Yes, of course."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1701565/Defending-Islam-with-violence-Trial-o...



I believe that to be an entirely correct interperetation of islam.
I believe murat is speaking what he completely believes in and he will do exactly what he says .
I believe abu and other muslims here are of the same accord.
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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #42 - Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:21pm
 
They have not changed their outlook in two thousand years and they are not going to do so now. Get 'em out!
!4 years old for christs sake!
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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #43 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 5:42am
 
bludger wrote on Oct 18th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
They have not changed their outlook in two thousand years and they are not going to do so now. Get 'em out!
!4 years old for christs sake!



Get em all out. Make it illegal for members of any religion to come to your door and harrass you. Make it illegal for members of any religion to mention thier religion in parliament or schools.

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Reply #44 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:42pm
 
Iranian Vice-President for Science and Technology Nasrin Soltankhah said the Iranian government plans to grant a Nobel-like prize to selected Muslim scientists in a bid to encourage Muslim world scholars to promote and elevate their works and prepare them for tighter and harder rivalries at global levels, like the Noble Prize.

The Iranian biennial award is called the “Great Prophet World Prize”, according to the Iranian vice-president, who said the move is meant to promote rivalry among Muslim world researchers and scientists.


http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2012/10/countries/iran/iran-to-grant-islamic-nobel...
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