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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #75 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:25pm

Soren wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

You can't be both a secular society and a Mohammedan society without lying about your commitment to one or the other.

If you are a Mohammedan, what are you likely to be lying about?

And, if ISLAM is a virtuous philosophy, why would moslems lie [about ISLAM] ???

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

It would be difficult to identify a philosophy with less integrity, or with less credibility, than ISLAM.

Dictionary;
integrity = =
1 the quality of having strong moral principles.
2 the state of being whole.

Dictionary;
credible = = able to be believed; convincing.

How Taqiyya Alters Islams Rules of War

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

"A Study in Muslim Doctrine
...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #76 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:29pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 5:40pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 4:30am:

Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap.

if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus.

Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect.

SOB

Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam!
Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you.
Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home!
And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are.

Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title.

SOB

Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years?
Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"?
No i didnt think you would!
Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would!

No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam.

SOB

Jordanians!
Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina?
Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim!

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #77 - Oct 26^th, 2012 at 4:34am

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 5:40pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 4:30am:

Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap.

if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus.

Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect.

SOB

Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam!
Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you.
Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home!
And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are.

Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title.

SOB

Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years?
Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"?
No i didnt think you would!
Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would!

No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam.

SOB

Jordanians!
Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina?
Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim!

Do you speak up every time a xtian commits an atrocity? Did you stop that fellow that killed all those kids on the island? Why not? He is of same religion of you so your responsibility.

Thats what you sound like.

SOB

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #78 - Oct 26^th, 2012 at 8:22pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 4:34am:

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 11:29pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 12:53pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 5:40pm:

mutation wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 3:56pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 4:30am:

Obviously (and i have said this before) you cant get rid of religion. I was just trying to put some perspective on mists crap.

if the religious component isnt much different to any other then why would you say (in the same sentence) that islam barely qualifies as a religion? Of course its a religion - they worship a deity and they have a book telling them how to live their lives.Exactly the same as the xtians and hindus.

Oh - the planes into buildings again. That is worn out. It was a long time ago now and it was several saudis who dont exist anymore. It wasnt the entire religion. However if you want to say muslims are the only ppl who ever do anything like that then you havent heard of timothy mcvey. Google him. Then theres the jews. They are worse than the muslims by far. They have killed more ppl in recent times I expect.

SOB

Its McVeigh btw and i dont think he is really much of an answer to the 19000 odd Islamic terror acts in the last decade or the 270,000,000 deaths at the hands of Islam in the last 1400 years the constant calls for Sharia law in nearly all western countries the killing of innocent people because they dont like cartoons the constant promise to exterminate jews etc. Shooting little girls in the head for going to school, acid attacks, clit cutting and on and on and on it goes seriously you choose of all things to defend Islam!
Your either Troll in which case i understand your issues and forgive you.
Your a Muslim and i hope we meet or your just another leftist shitbag who hates himself and his people so much you want to welcome a cancer like Islam into your home!
And well your little antisemitic rant at the end really does tell what sort of a person you are.

Hahahahahaha! Hahahahahaha! Seriously? So the jews are exempt from being criticised for killing ppl? They have killed more ppl than the muslims in recent times. And if you want to go back 1400 years the xtians are pretty high contenders for the title.

SOB

Care to provide the numbers for people killed by Christianity in the last 1400 years?
Care to provide a numerical comparison between Christian likkings and Islamic ones in "recent times"?
No i didnt think you would!
Anyway we are not talking about Christianity or Hindu or Branch Dividians we are talking about Islam which you defend just like a Muslim would!

No i defend palestinains and moderate muslims not islam.

SOB

Jordanians!
Moderate Muslims? Do you mean the vast majority of muslims who manage to remain totally silent before during and after every Islamic atrocity? The same ones who live and breath amongst the"radicals" yet manage to know nothing see nothing and hear nothing? The ones that read only from the Meccan texts but ignore those from Medina?
Buddy there is one Koran One Islam and one type of Muslim!

Do you speak up every time a xtian commits an atrocity? Did you stop that fellow that killed all those kids on the island? Why not? He is of same religion of you so your responsibility.

Thats what you sound like.

SOB

No Because im not a Christian though im happy to point out their myriad faults.
I wouldnt stop the guy on the Island because at least he was shooting the right people though focusing on the parents might have been easier to sell to the public.

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Re: Islam versus secularism
Reply #79 - Oct 27^th, 2012 at 6:09am

mutation wrote on Oct 26^th, 2012 at 8:22pm: