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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #240 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

I said I am not getting involved in the evolution discussion specifically. You made a statement that school teachers teach it as if that some how validates the subject. But even if every single science teacher did not agree with evolution, they would still have to teach it anyway. The fact that they teach it is not evidence of anything when they don't have a choice.

As for Sydney university scientist being all atheist...So what? Are you summoning the Borg with that statement? You asked if I know how science works. I know enough to know that the personal beliefs or non beliefs of the scientific department at one university does not validate anything.

Sometimes it seems as if a persons beliefs mean more than their methods. If an atheist scientist came out and said that water boils at 200C at sea level, while a Christian said 100C at sea level, I swear some people would agree with the atheist. After all, the other person is a Christian. Stupid religious people just have to be wrong about anything scientific, don't they?

Edit: I think there is a bit of a mix up. When you said biology teachers you probably meant University while I took it as high school, hence your latter comment about Sydney uni science department. My mistake if is assumed the wrong thing.

Its hard to get involved with discussing evolution with those who misrepresent or misunderstand evolution, it is easy to tell who has done their homework on this subject.

The National academy of sciences had a survey and only 7% of their members believe in god which is less than 1 in 10 of those surveyed so atheism is rampant in the scientific community.

All the science teachers i know dont believe in religion they accept evolution.

Do you think they preach virgin births in high school biology or the sperm and egg?
Biology teachers are taught at universities that includes high school teachers.

Why would an atheist scientist claim water boils at 200C when all the evidence suggests otherwise, do scientists reject evidence or accept evidence?

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

The problem with the percentage of atheist in the scientific community is that once one group gets majority, they have a habit of discriminating against others. Are there less Christians in the scientific community because they are not qualified or interested, or because their personal beliefs black flag them before they get to the interview?

Their is a growing opinion (as shown by some in this thread) that someone can not be religious and be an objective scientist. That only atheist are able to view the facts without any prejudice. But scientific facts are either right or wrong. The beliefs of the person who discovers them is irrelevant. Hence my comment about 200C water. Some people will seem to believe anything if it comes from an atheist over a Christian. But real science does not care for such things.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #241 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:24pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

The problem with the percentage of atheist in the scientific community is that once one group gets majority, they have a habit of discriminating against others. Are there less Christians in the scientific community because they are not qualified or interested, or because their personal beliefs black flag them before they get to the interview?

Their is a growing opinion (as shown by some in this thread) that someone can not be religious and be an objective scientist. That only atheist are able to view the facts without any prejudice. But scientific facts are either right or wrong. The beliefs of the person who discovers them is irrelevant. Hence my comment about 200C water. Some people will seem to believe anything if it comes from an atheist over a Christian. But real science does not care for such things.

Good post! Quantum

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #242 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:53pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

I said I am not getting involved in the evolution discussion specifically. You made a statement that school teachers teach it as if that some how validates the subject. But even if every single science teacher did not agree with evolution, they would still have to teach it anyway. The fact that they teach it is not evidence of anything when they don't have a choice.

As for Sydney university scientist being all atheist...So what? Are you summoning the Borg with that statement? You asked if I know how science works. I know enough to know that the personal beliefs or non beliefs of the scientific department at one university does not validate anything.

Sometimes it seems as if a persons beliefs mean more than their methods. If an atheist scientist came out and said that water boils at 200C at sea level, while a Christian said 100C at sea level, I swear some people would agree with the atheist. After all, the other person is a Christian. Stupid religious people just have to be wrong about anything scientific, don't they?

Edit: I think there is a bit of a mix up. When you said biology teachers you probably meant University while I took it as high school, hence your latter comment about Sydney uni science department. My mistake if is assumed the wrong thing.

Its hard to get involved with discussing evolution with those who misrepresent or misunderstand evolution, it is easy to tell who has done their homework on this subject.

The National academy of sciences had a survey and only 7% of their members believe in god which is less than 1 in 10 of those surveyed so atheism is rampant in the scientific community.

All the science teachers i know dont believe in religion they accept evolution.

Do you think they preach virgin births in high school biology or the sperm and egg?
Biology teachers are taught at universities that includes high school teachers.

Why would an atheist scientist claim water boils at 200C when all the evidence suggests otherwise, do scientists reject evidence or accept evidence?

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

The problem with the percentage of atheist in the scientific community is that once one group gets majority, they have a habit of discriminating against others. Are there less Christians in the scientific community because they are not qualified or interested, or because their personal beliefs black flag them before they get to the interview?

Their is a growing opinion (as shown by some in this thread) that someone can not be religious and be an objective scientist. That only atheist are able to view the facts without any prejudice. But scientific facts are either right or wrong. The beliefs of the person who discovers them is irrelevant. Hence my comment about 200C water. Some people will seem to believe anything if it comes from an atheist over a Christian. But real science does not care for such things.

Are you saying the lack of religious people in the scientific community is a result of discrimination by scientists and has nothing to do with religious people rejecting scientific theories like evolution?

Since religious folk cannot comprehend evolution and think it is far more plausible that god created man from mud and clay lets start with an easier concept.

Do you believe in virgin births?
I can understand if you say no yet i cannot understand why you would even make any exceptions like the case of Mary.
Do you think they would teach virgin births are possible in biology or do biology teachers insist on sperm being required to fertilise an egg?

I had a young creationist insist virgin births are possible with IVF yet they forget an IVF clinic will tell the person to try sex first and when that does not work and prayer will not help then come back for IVF.

A scientific fact would be considered the truth, if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out when evidence shows it is wrong.
For you to say a scientific fact could be right or wrong shows your ignorance with science when every science student knows if it is wrong it has to be discarded.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #243 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:21pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

I said I am not getting involved in the evolution discussion specifically. You made a statement that school teachers teach it as if that some how validates the subject. But even if every single science teacher did not agree with evolution, they would still have to teach it anyway. The fact that they teach it is not evidence of anything when they don't have a choice.

As for Sydney university scientist being all atheist...So what? Are you summoning the Borg with that statement? You asked if I know how science works. I know enough to know that the personal beliefs or non beliefs of the scientific department at one university does not validate anything.

Sometimes it seems as if a persons beliefs mean more than their methods. If an atheist scientist came out and said that water boils at 200C at sea level, while a Christian said 100C at sea level, I swear some people would agree with the atheist. After all, the other person is a Christian. Stupid religious people just have to be wrong about anything scientific, don't they?

Edit: I think there is a bit of a mix up. When you said biology teachers you probably meant University while I took it as high school, hence your latter comment about Sydney uni science department. My mistake if is assumed the wrong thing.

Its hard to get involved with discussing evolution with those who misrepresent or misunderstand evolution, it is easy to tell who has done their homework on this subject.

The National academy of sciences had a survey and only 7% of their members believe in god which is less than 1 in 10 of those surveyed so atheism is rampant in the scientific community.

All the science teachers i know dont believe in religion they accept evolution.

Do you think they preach virgin births in high school biology or the sperm and egg?
Biology teachers are taught at universities that includes high school teachers.

Why would an atheist scientist claim water boils at 200C when all the evidence suggests otherwise, do scientists reject evidence or accept evidence?

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

The problem with the percentage of atheist in the scientific community is that once one group gets majority, they have a habit of discriminating against others. Are there less Christians in the scientific community because they are not qualified or interested, or because their personal beliefs black flag them before they get to the interview?

Their is a growing opinion (as shown by some in this thread) that someone can not be religious and be an objective scientist. That only atheist are able to view the facts without any prejudice. But scientific facts are either right or wrong. The beliefs of the person who discovers them is irrelevant. Hence my comment about 200C water. Some people will seem to believe anything if it comes from an atheist over a Christian. But real science does not care for such things.

The reason isnt either of those but more that most xtians dont believe in science so dont apply for the jobs. the few that do have no problems getting a job because nobody asks their religion @ the interview.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #245 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:31pm

Soren wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

It would be way too easy to quote you back to yourself: scientists claim to have debunked religion yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

That science emerged and flourished in the Christian West is not a fluke.

The science that emerged in the west was in spite of christianity not because of christianity.

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Moving formally to rectify a wrong, Pope John Paul 2 acknowledged in a speech today that the Roman Catholic church erred in condemning Galileo 359 years ago for asserting the earth revolves around the sun
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/01/world/vatican-science-panel-told-by-pope-galil...

The science might have flourished even better if religious folks didnt persecute people for not believing the flat earth buy-bull.

The church even apologised to Darwin-
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The church of england will tomorrow officially apologise to Charles Darwin for misunderstanding his theory of evolution.

The officials said that senior bishops wanted to atone for the vilification their predecessors heaped on Darwin in the 1860"s
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055597/Church-makes--8216-ludicrous-821...

At least the church did apologise for the way they treated these early scientists.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #246 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

Are you saying the lack of religious people in the scientific community is a result of discrimination by scientists and has nothing to do with religious people rejecting scientific theories like evolution?

No, it has to do with your next quote;

Quote:

Since religious folk cannot comprehend evolution and think it is far more plausible that god created man from mud and clay lets start with an easier concept.

Really? Our brains are less evolved? Our tiny heads can't deal with big scientific words?

You're acting like all Christians are some southern USA brain dead yokels, who would read their bible all day every day if they could actually read. This is a spot like argument that concludes all Christians are just stupid. Unfortunately you're not the only atheist with such a black and white opinion about those who are religious.

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Do you believe in virgin births?
I can understand if you say no yet i cannot understand why you would even make any exceptions like the case of Mary.
Do you think they would teach virgin births are possible in biology or do biology teachers insist on sperm being required to fertilise an egg?

I had a young creationist insist virgin births are possible with IVF yet they forget an IVF clinic will tell the person to try sex first and when that does not work and prayer will not help then come back for IVF.

And someone at the IVF clinic will then root them if prayer doesn't work? If not, it seems like this young creationist found something that you didn't like. Are you saying that a virgin birth is not possible with today's technology? If not, what are you saying?

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A scientific fact would be considered the truth, if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out when evidence shows it is wrong.
For you to say a scientific fact could be right or wrong shows your ignorance with science when every science student knows if it is wrong it has to be discarded.

No it doesn't. In fact, you said something similar;
"if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out"
How can a scientific fact be wrong? Apparently you can say it, but I can't as doing so shows my ignorance.

It was obvious in the context of the post that I was saying that scientific facts are weighed on their provability, not on the beliefs of the person doing the research. What the hell does someones personal belief in Jesus have to with their ability to perform an experiment and record the results?

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #247 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:56pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:21pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:07pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

I said I am not getting involved in the evolution discussion specifically. You made a statement that school teachers teach it as if that some how validates the subject. But even if every single science teacher did not agree with evolution, they would still have to teach it anyway. The fact that they teach it is not evidence of anything when they don't have a choice.

As for Sydney university scientist being all atheist...So what? Are you summoning the Borg with that statement? You asked if I know how science works. I know enough to know that the personal beliefs or non beliefs of the scientific department at one university does not validate anything.

Sometimes it seems as if a persons beliefs mean more than their methods. If an atheist scientist came out and said that water boils at 200C at sea level, while a Christian said 100C at sea level, I swear some people would agree with the atheist. After all, the other person is a Christian. Stupid religious people just have to be wrong about anything scientific, don't they?

Edit: I think there is a bit of a mix up. When you said biology teachers you probably meant University while I took it as high school, hence your latter comment about Sydney uni science department. My mistake if is assumed the wrong thing.

Its hard to get involved with discussing evolution with those who misrepresent or misunderstand evolution, it is easy to tell who has done their homework on this subject.

The National academy of sciences had a survey and only 7% of their members believe in god which is less than 1 in 10 of those surveyed so atheism is rampant in the scientific community.

All the science teachers i know dont believe in religion they accept evolution.

Do you think they preach virgin births in high school biology or the sperm and egg?
Biology teachers are taught at universities that includes high school teachers.

Why would an atheist scientist claim water boils at 200C when all the evidence suggests otherwise, do scientists reject evidence or accept evidence?

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

The problem with the percentage of atheist in the scientific community is that once one group gets majority, they have a habit of discriminating against others. Are there less Christians in the scientific community because they are not qualified or interested, or because their personal beliefs black flag them before they get to the interview?

Their is a growing opinion (as shown by some in this thread) that someone can not be religious and be an objective scientist. That only atheist are able to view the facts without any prejudice. But scientific facts are either right or wrong. The beliefs of the person who discovers them is irrelevant. Hence my comment about 200C water. Some people will seem to believe anything if it comes from an atheist over a Christian. But real science does not care for such things.

The reason isnt either of those but more that most xtians dont believe in science so dont apply for the jobs. the few that do have no problems getting a job because nobody asks there religion @ the interview.

SOB

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #248 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:23pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

Are you saying the lack of religious people in the scientific community is a result of discrimination by scientists and has nothing to do with religious people rejecting scientific theories like evolution?

No, it has to do with your next quote;

Quote:

Since religious folk cannot comprehend evolution and think it is far more plausible that god created man from mud and clay lets start with an easier concept.

Really? Our brains are less evolved? Our tiny heads can't deal with big scientific words?
Where did i say your brain was less evolved please cite that for me.
There are only a few in this thread who appear to understand evolution,Muso would be one and rabbitoh07 is another, the rest of you should read about what is actually said with evolution instead of making stuff up..

You're acting like all Christians are some southern USA brain dead yokels, who would read their bible all day every day if they could actually read. This is a spot like argument that concludes all Christians are just stupid. Unfortunately you're not the only atheist with such a black and white opinion about those who are religious.
Christians dont understand scientific facts and theories like evolution, how can you believe in creation along with evolution?

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Do you believe in virgin births?
I can understand if you say no yet i cannot understand why you would even make any exceptions like the case of Mary.
Do you think they would teach virgin births are possible in biology or do biology teachers insist on sperm being required to fertilise an egg?

I had a young creationist insist virgin births are possible with IVF yet they forget an IVF clinic will tell the person to try sex first and when that does not work and prayer will not help then come back for IVF.

And someone at the IVF clinic will then root them if prayer doesn't work? If not, it seems like this young creationist found something that you didn't like. Are you saying that a virgin birth is not possible with today's technology? If not, what are you saying?
A IVF clinic will not waste IVF resources with a virgin who has never tried to have children the natural way do you understand this point?
There were no IVF clinics in the time of mary and joseph,IVF still requires sperm it does not involve god getting someone pregnant.

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A scientific fact would be considered the truth, if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out when evidence shows it is wrong.
For you to say a scientific fact could be right or wrong shows your ignorance with science when every science student knows if it is wrong it has to be discarded.

No it doesn't. In fact, you said something similar;
"if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out"
How can a scientific fact be wrong? Apparently you can say it, but I can't as doing so shows my ignorance.
If a scientific fact or theory is proven to be wrong it has to be thrown out, do you understand this concept they teach first year science students?
The fact you do not understand this concept shows your very limited knowledge with science.

It was obvious in the context of the post that I was saying that scientific facts are weighed on their provability, not on the beliefs of the person doing the research. What the hell does someones personal belief in Jesus have to with their ability to perform an experiment and record the results?
Evolution is a scientific fact the theory explains how it happens, how can you believe in creationism and Jesus along with evolution?

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #249 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

And someone at the IVF clinic will then root them if prayer doesn't work?

Prayer does not work there is nobody listening, Harvard did a study on Prayer you should read the results and be thankful you dont tap your head on the ground 5 times a day with your ass in the air while facing Mecca like another religion that claims to worship the exact same god as yours.

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In a clear setback for those who believe in the power of prayer, their prayers were not answered.Prayers offered by strangers did not reduce the medical complications of major heart surgery.
Not only that, but the patients who knew others were praying for them fared worse than those who did not receive such spititual support,
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #250 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

[quote author=6E4D5E43425A43425E435E582C0 link=1350356132/242#242 date=1352174029]
Are you saying the lack of religious people in the scientific community is a result of discrimination by scientists and has nothing to do with religious people rejecting scientific theories like evolution?

No, it has to do with your next quote;

Quote:

Since religious folk cannot comprehend evolution and think it is far more plausible that god created man from mud and clay lets start with an easier concept.

Really? Our brains are less evolved? Our tiny heads can't deal with big scientific words?
Where did i say your brain was less evolved please cite that for me.
There are only a few in this thread who appear to understand evolution,Muso would be one and rabbitoh07 is another, the rest of you should read about what is actually said with evolution instead of making stuff up..

You're acting like all Christians are some southern USA brain dead yokels, who would read their bible all day every day if they could actually read. This is a spot like argument that concludes all Christians are just stupid. Unfortunately you're not the only atheist with such a black and white opinion about those who are religious.
Christians dont understand scientific facts and theories like evolution, how can you believe in creation along with evolution?

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Do you believe in virgin births?
I can understand if you say no yet i cannot understand why you would even make any exceptions like the case of Mary.
Do you think they would teach virgin births are possible in biology or do biology teachers insist on sperm being required to fertilise an egg?

I had a young creationist insist virgin births are possible with IVF yet they forget an IVF clinic will tell the person to try sex first and when that does not work and prayer will not help then come back for IVF.

And someone at the IVF clinic will then root them if prayer doesn't work? If not, it seems like this young creationist found something that you didn't like. Are you saying that a virgin birth is not possible with today's technology? If not, what are you saying?
A IVF clinic will not waste IVF resources with a virgin who has never tried to have children the natural way do you understand this point?
There were no IVF clinics in the time of mary and joseph,IVF still requires sperm it does not involve god getting someone pregnant.

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A scientific fact would be considered the truth, if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out when evidence shows it is wrong.
For you to say a scientific fact could be right or wrong shows your ignorance with science when every science student knows if it is wrong it has to be discarded.

No it doesn't. In fact, you said something similar;
"if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out"
How can a scientific fact be wrong? Apparently you can say it, but I can't as doing so shows my ignorance.
If a scientific fact or theory is proven to be wrong it has to be thrown out, do you understand this concept they teach first year science students?
The fact you do not understand this concept shows your very limited knowledge with science.

It was obvious in the context of the post that I was saying that scientific facts are weighed on their provability, not on the beliefs of the person doing the research. What the hell does someones personal belief in Jesus have to with their ability to perform an experiment and record the results?
Evolution is a scientific fact the theory explains how it happens, how can you believe in creationism and Jesus along with evolution?

Well this mess is now mostly impossible to reply to point by point with the way it is formatted.

All I will bother replying to is this comment;

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If a scientific fact or theory is proven to be wrong it has to be thrown out, do you understand this concept they teach first year science students?The fact you do not understand this concept shows your very limited knowledge with science.

Which is a bullshit reply. An egotistic, arrogant, condescending, bullshit comment.

I perfectly understand the idea of what is wrong being discarded. You must be either the smartest person in the world if you can come to your conclusions of my scientific knowledge based on this comment of mine;

"But scientific facts are either right or wrong"

or the most judgemental. Considering you said this;

'if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out'

I have to wonder where the hell you are coming from. Did I say that scientific facts that are proven wrong should not be thrown out? Did I say that they are not ever thrown out? No! I made no such comment. I was speaking about facts being facts irrespective of the personal beliefs of the researcher, hence why I said they are either "right or wrong". You seem to only be taking issue with me using the words "fact" and "wrong" in the same sentence. So where the hell are you coming from with this? You seem hell bent on playing the player and not the ball.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #251 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:11pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 2:53pm:

And someone at the IVF clinic will then root them if prayer doesn't work?

Prayer does not work there is nobody listening, Harvard did a study on Prayer you should read the results and be thankful you dont tap your head on the ground 5 times a day with your ass in the air while facing Mecca like another religion that claims to worship the exact same god as yours.

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In a clear setback for those who believe in the power of prayer, their prayers were not answered.Prayers offered by strangers did not reduce the medical complications of major heart surgery.
Not only that, but the patients who knew others were praying for them fared worse than those who did not receive such spititual support,
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/05-prayer.html

Too much beer at the unibar? Or just showing what a dickhead you can be?

You have entered the spot world of anyone who is not an atheist is too stupid to talk to me.

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Reply #252 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

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[quote]If a scientific fact or theory is proven to be wrong it has to be thrown out, do you understand this concept they teach first year science students?The fact you do not understand this concept shows your very limited knowledge with science.

Which is a bullshit reply. An egotistic, arrogant, condescending, bullshit comment.

I perfectly understand the idea of what is wrong being discarded. You must be either the smartest person in the world if you can come to your conclusions of my scientific knowledge based on this comment of mine;

"But scientific facts are either right or wrong"

or the most judgemental. Considering you said this;

'if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out'

It cannot be a scientific fact or theory if it is wrong, science discards what is wrong.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #253 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:37pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:22pm:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 3:23pm:

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[quote]If a scientific fact or theory is proven to be wrong it has to be thrown out, do you understand this concept they teach first year science students?The fact you do not understand this concept shows your very limited knowledge with science.

Which is a bullshit reply. An egotistic, arrogant, condescending, bullshit comment.

I perfectly understand the idea of what is wrong being discarded. You must be either the smartest person in the world if you can come to your conclusions of my scientific knowledge based on this comment of mine;

"But scientific facts are either right or wrong"

or the most judgemental. Considering you said this;

'if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out'

It cannot be a scientific fact or theory if it is wrong, science discards what is wrong.

Which is being pedantic. But considering you said this;

"'if a scientific fact or theory is wrong it has to be thrown out'"

it is also hypocritical. After all, "it cannot be a scientific fact or theory if it is wrong", even though you just bloody said it.

Think about what you saying for a minute. Not only are you hell bent on picking me up for using the same language as you, your claim that scientific facts can not be wrong is a dangerous road.

Have there been any scientific facts that have later be shown to be wrong? If so, then;

*Scientific facts can be wrong. Once proven wrong they are thrown out and no longer considered facts. But they were once called scientific facts.
*Scientific facts can never be wrong. If something is shown to be wrong it was never a scientific fact to begin with. Therefore nothing in science can be called a fact, as it one day may be shown to be wrong.

What view do you prefer? Your issue with what I said implies that you fit into the second view, yet your own words place you in the first one.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #254 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 5:19pm All I can add to this discussion is that there is very little religious or other discrimination in the scientific community. I know many scientists who are church-goers for example. It doesn't make them lesser scientists for it.
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