Australian Politics Forum - Evidence of Evolution being a hoax

Amadd

Gold Member

Offline

Mo

Posts: 6217

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #30 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:05am

In the world of agnosticism, we are too small to be able to paint a pic of either going forwards or backwards.

Our human reality is to move forever forwards, in our own minds only.
Whether or not that is actually a widespread happening for humankind is too hard to tell within our (relatively) infinitely small pieces of aquired knowledge.

Being for, against, or apathetic to religions won't change our paths in the slightest in the long term IMO.
We can only go forward by quitting the bickering and looking towards a long term (humanity-wise) future which may help avert a few disasters, but we will still be at the beck and call of whatever may happen.

Nomatter how religious one is, there is no controlling the universe, or even the insignificance of human nature for that matter.

What tames us (our nature) is better stuff. The non-need to fight is what satisfies humans on the whole...just like any other animal.

If an asteroid were hurtling towards our earth, I'd be surprised if every religion, scientist, and whoever else would not pull together to try to avert the disaster.

Until that scenario presents itself, and in the meantime, we try to create disaster for each other in the name of short term pleasure.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:23am by Amadd »

IP Logged

sanofi Ex Member	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #31 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 4:00am Frances wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 9:14pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 4:39am: are you telling me you believe in devolution? Scotland or Wales? What is the point of this post? Are you taking the thread somewhere with this change of course. Or are you just being a silly billy?
Back to top	IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg

Gold Member

Offline

WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26510
Australia

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #32 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 4:11am

Quote:

Frances wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 9:14pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 4:39am:

are you telling me you believe in devolution?

Scotland or Wales?

What is the point of this post? Are you taking the thread somewhere with this change of course.
Or are you just being a silly billy?

Actually she is pointing out how yadda doesnt know the proper meaning of devolution. Also messes up whatever topic there is though.

SOB

Back to top

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a
Moron!

- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope

IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg

Gold Member

Offline

WE ARE BORG

Posts: 26510
Australia

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #33 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 4:12am

Amadd wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:05am:

In the world of agnosticism, we are too small to be able to paint a pic of either going forwards or backwards.

Our human reality is to move forever forwards, in our own minds only.
Whether or not that is actually a widespread happening for humankind is too hard to tell within our (relatively) infinitely small pieces of aquired knowledge.

Being for, against, or apathetic to religions won't change our paths in the slightest in the long term IMO.
We can only go forward by quitting the bickering and looking towards a long term (humanity-wise) future which may help avert a few disasters, but we will still be at the beck and call of whatever may happen.

Nomatter how religious one is, there is no controlling the universe, or even the insignificance of human nature for that matter.

What tames us (our nature) is better stuff. The non-need to fight is what satisfies humans on the whole...just like any other animal.

If an asteroid were hurtling towards our earth, I'd be surprised if every religion, scientist, and whoever else would not pull together to try to avert the disaster.

Until that scenario presents itself, and in the meantime, we try to create disaster for each other in the name of short term pleasure.

Agnostics arent usually so black and white that they only see for and against. Its about belief and non-belief not a declaration of war.

SOB

Back to top

Whaaaaaah!
I'm a
Moron!

- edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope

IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21819
A cat with a view

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #34 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 12:25pm

Amadd wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:05am:

In the world of agnosticism, we are too small to be able to paint a pic of either going forwards or backwards.

Our human reality is to move forever forwards, in our own minds only.
Whether or not that is actually a widespread happening for humankind is too hard to tell within our (relatively) infinitely small pieces of aquired knowledge.

Being for, against, or apathetic to religions won't change our paths in the slightest in the long term IMO.
We can only go forward by quitting the bickering and looking towards a long term (humanity-wise) future which may help avert a few disasters, but we will still be at the beck and call of whatever may happen.

Nomatter how religious one is, there is no controlling the universe, or even the insignificance of human nature for that matter.

What tames us (our nature) is better stuff. The non-need to fight is what satisfies humans on the whole...just like any other animal.

If an asteroid were hurtling towards our earth, I'd be surprised if every religion, scientist, and whoever else would not pull together to try to avert the disaster.

Until that scenario presents itself, and in the meantime, we try to create disaster for each other in the name of short term pleasure.

Amadd,

That is what you believe.

That is what perhaps 99% of the people on the planet may believe.

That may be our perception of reality.

But, if what you said is true, i still want to know what the nature of the universe is [i.e. the universe which we perceive, the universe which we are aware of].

And as human beings, we are still grasping [at straws] to try to understand these things.

We DO NOT know.

And, imo, to say something like; "No matter how religious one is, there is no controlling the universe,..."
,
is just a little presumptuous.

And yes, maybe people like myself [people of faith], are being presumptuous too.

Amadd,

#1....
The fact is, that i am happy for you [and for people like you] to believe whatever you want to believe.

I believe something different, from most people.

My experience is that.....

What i believe, doesn't have very much value [to others], and trying to explain why i 'believe' [in a reality that differs from what most of us see] is futile,
.....so i am happy to revert to #1.i
"The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God."

Psalms

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

bobbythefap1

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 7026
Listen now to the rain

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #35 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 12:31pm

BUMP FOR YADDA
bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 9:43am:

Quote:

But here is some evidence of the theory of evolution being a hoax, in the form of;
1/ a photo,
2/ a 'scientific' claim [about the age of the insects shown in the photo],
3/ and reasoning applied, to what we see.....

Your reasoning shows your complete lack of understanding about scientific fact you so adamantly detest..

Firstly you are talking about superficial changes, you know nothing about the spiders internal evolutions of which there have been many to produce some spiders we see today. Including adapting to climate, environment and breeding pressures.

Secondly, please tell me what reason a spider has to change physically?
Why would an animal at the top of its food chain risk its superiority unless something predated it for example?
Even then the changes would not be physical, the spider you have pictured is similar to the recluses we see today meaning it was able to adapt with tactic rather then physical change.

Quote:

Because, the claim is that apes evolved into humans [i.e. ourselves], over a much shorter time span, than 100-Million-Years.

Because they had to adapt to environmental change or risk extinction.

If your going to oppose something at least understand what you are opposing.

BUMP FOR YADDA

Back to top

A day without sunshine is like night.

IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21819
A cat with a view

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #36 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 12:43pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 12:31pm:

BUMP FOR YADDA
bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 9:43am:

Quote:

But here is some evidence of the theory of evolution being a hoax, in the form of;
1/ a photo,
2/ a 'scientific' claim [about the age of the insects shown in the photo],
3/ and reasoning applied, to what we see.....

Your reasoning shows your complete lack of understanding about scientific fact you so adamantly detest..

Firstly you are talking about superficial changes, you know nothing about the spiders internal evolutions of which there have been many to produce some spiders we see today. Including adapting to climate, environment and breeding pressures.

Secondly, please tell me what reason a spider has to change physically?
Why would an animal at the top of its food chain risk its superiority unless something predated it for example?
Even then the changes would not be physical, the spider you have pictured is similar to the recluses we see today meaning it was able to adapt with tactic rather then physical change.

Quote:

Because, the claim is that apes evolved into humans [i.e. ourselves], over a much shorter time span, than 100-Million-Years.

Because they had to adapt to environmental change or risk extinction.

If your going to oppose something at least understand what you are opposing.

BUMP FOR YADDA

Western Apologist,

Quote:

Your reasoning shows your complete lack of understanding about scientific fact you so adamantly detest.

Your statement already has me imprisoned in a intellectual cell [a prison] that i cannot escape from.

Therefore i concede;

You are clever.

I am a dolt.

End of argument.

p.s.
I am happy for people like yourself, to believe whatever you want to believe, about me, and about my capacity for reason-ing.

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #37 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:13pm The point I am trying to make Yadda is that you are making assertions that have no relevance. Just like how you made assertions about things you thought atheists believe but in reality had nothing to do with atheism. Respond to the rest of my post or admit defeat.
Back to top	A day without sunshine is like night. IP Logged

sanofi

Ex Member

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #38 - Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 2:50pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:13pm:

The point I am trying to make Yadda is that you are making assertions that have no relevance.
Just like how you made assertions about things you thought atheists believe but in reality had nothing to do with atheism.

Respond to the rest of my post or admit defeat.

One deactivated troll. Good work there Western, but it's a bit small. Throw it back?

Back to top

IP Logged

muso

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 13151
Gladstone, Queensland
Gender: male

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #39 - Oct 24^th, 2012 at 6:06am

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 5:39am:

What amazes me [and which is the point made by, #2. 'alex', at the link] is that if you look at the '100-Million-Year-Old' insects trapped in amber, those insects [wasps, mosquitoes, dragonfly's, etc] all look exactly like the same insects that are found today.

So where is the proof of the action of evolution upon those insects, over a 100 million year period, if we have the same exact insects present today ???

Because, the claim is that apes evolved into humans [i.e. ourselves], over a much shorter time span, than 100-Million-Years.

p.s.
[AND, there is a rational explanation [provided by real science] for the disparity in size, of insects captured in amber, by antiquity, and the size of insects of today. [But i will let you search out that reason, if you wish to find it out.] But the essential truth remains; That '100-Million-Year-Old insects', look exactly like the same insects we find today.]

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

They don't look exactly the same, Yadda. That's a very superficial likeness. It's a bit like saying that Gumbi and Arnold Schwarzenegger look exactly the same because they have the same number of legs arms and heads.

If fact, they are totally different species to the ones found today.

Having said that, the rate of Evolution is not constant. Some species find their evolutionary niche and are perfectly adapted to that niche. An example is the coelocanth. The Actinistia sub-class for example has been around since Devonian times around 400 million years ago.

Not all species are as successful as that. Your point about no change = no evolution is a strawman because nobody is actually saying that.

Back to top

1523 people like this. The remaining 7,134,765,234 do not

IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21819
A cat with a view

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #40 - Oct 24^th, 2012 at 7:42pm

muso wrote on Oct 24^th, 2012 at 6:06am:

Yadda wrote on Oct 18^th, 2012 at 5:39am:

What amazes me [and which is the point made by, #2. 'alex', at the link] is that if you look at the '100-Million-Year-Old' insects trapped in amber, those insects [wasps, mosquitoes, dragonfly's, etc] all look exactly like the same insects that are found today.

So where is the proof of the action of evolution upon those insects, over a 100 million year period, if we have the same exact insects present today ???

Because, the claim is that apes evolved into humans [i.e. ourselves], over a much shorter time span, than 100-Million-Years.

p.s.
[AND, there is a rational explanation [provided by real science] for the disparity in size, of insects captured in amber, by antiquity, and the size of insects of today. [But i will let you search out that reason, if you wish to find it out.] But the essential truth remains; That '100-Million-Year-Old insects', look exactly like the same insects we find today.]

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

They don't look exactly the same, Yadda. That's a very superficial likeness. It's a bit like saying that Gumbi and Arnold Schwarzenegger look exactly the same because they have the same number of legs arms and heads.

If fact, they are totally different species to the ones found today.

Having said that, the rate of Evolution is not constant. Some species find their evolutionary niche and are perfectly adapted to that niche. An example is the coelocanth. The Actinistia sub-class for example has been around since Devonian times around 400 million years ago.

Not all species are as successful as that. Your point about no change = no evolution is a strawman because nobody is actually saying that.

No muso,

In fact, many of the insects found in amber, are the exact same species, that are found alive today.

IMAGE

IMAGE

IMAGE

IMAGE

IMAGE

IMAGE

Source of images....
http://harunyahya.com/en/works/4146/atlas-of-creation--/chapter/4481

Quote:

.....amber is universally accepted to be fossil tree resin, no-one knows what forces cause tree resin to harden into amber, and no-one has yet been able to synthesize it artificially.1 It is also uncertain how organisms are preserved so perfectly inside hardened amber. Evolutionists concede that ‘many interesting problems remain concerning the age of [amber] deposits and their exact origin,’2 but they nevertheless assume that millions of years were needed.

Gladiator—an ‘extinct’ insect is found alive
Extraordinarily, insects earlier thought to have been extinct for millions of years have been found thriving on a stony mountain top in Namibia.1,2
Nicknamed ‘Gladiators’ because of their ‘fearsome’ appearance and the armour that covers them as nymphs, the insects were first noted from specimens fossilized in amber (preserved transparent tree resin), ‘dated’ at 45 million years.

http://creation.mobi/gladiator-an-extinct-insect-is-found-alive

Google;
evolution, insects, amber, no change

Google;
most insects in amber are, indeed, members of extant genera

muso,

Clearly, over many years, many people today have built up an emotional 'investment', in believing what they believe [and yes, in exactly the same way that i believe, what i believe].

But look at the evidence, with the eyes of a child.

I don't turn away, when i am confronted with what is true.

And even though everyone [the 'experts', all] around me, insist that he is, i can see that the emperor is not wearing any clothes.

muso,

Believe whatever you want to believe.

There is ample evidence in the world, against the theory of evolution.

But those who want to believe in a theory of evolution [for ideological reasons], keep brushing under the carpet, any and all evidence which supports a young earth hypothesis.

Dictionary;
ideologue = = a dogmatic or uncompromising adherent of an ideology.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #41 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 5:22am Funny - when you look @ your pictures they dont look exactly the same . . . SOB
Back to top	Whaaaaaah! I'm a Moron! - edited by some unethical admin - you think its funny? - its a slippery slope IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21819
A cat with a view

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #42 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 9:50am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 5:22am:

Funny - when you look @ your pictures they dont look exactly the same . . .

SOB

Other expressed opinions of SPOT,

Quote:

Israel = = killers of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Israel = = human rights abusers and users of Nazi style oppression and torture.

Yadda is a moslem Quack Quack.

America and Israel: Worst terrorist nations in the world.

SPOT,
Quote:

"Funny - when you look @ your pictures they dont look exactly the same . . ."

Funny, if SPOT told me that that bright thing up in the sky was the sun, .....going on the experience of past opinions of SPOT [the 'truth speaker', the 'intellectual'] expressed in this forum, i'd want a second opinion.

'name' = = reputation for integrity, good judgement

Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.
2 It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
3 Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
4 The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 21819
A cat with a view

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #43 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:02am

Yadda wrote on Oct 25^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Funny, if SPOT told me that that bright thing up in the sky was the sun, .....going on the experience of past opinions of SPOT [the 'truth speaker', the 'intellectual'] expressed in this forum, i'd want a second opinion.

'name' = = reputation for integrity, good judgement

Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good name is better than precious ointment......

Q.
Do many people on the OzPol forum respect the judgement, the opinions and the behaviour of SPOT, in this forum ???

Have a look for yourself, to ascertain what many peoples opinion of SPOT is on the OzPol forum;

'Spot of Troll'

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1348565349/0#0

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

Broken Bow

Ex Member

Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #44 - Oct 25^th, 2012 at 10:14am

Yadda wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 12:25pm:

Amadd wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2012 at 1:05am:

In the world of agnosticism, we are too small to be able to paint a pic of either going forwards or backwards.

Our human reality is to move forever forwards, in our own minds only.
Whether or not that is actually a widespread happening for humankind is too hard to tell within our (relatively) infinitely small pieces of aquired knowledge.

Being for, against, or apathetic to religions won't change our paths in the slightest in the long term IMO.
We can only go forward by quitting the bickering and looking towards a long term (humanity-wise) future which may help avert a few disasters, but we will still be at the beck and call of whatever may happen.

Nomatter how religious one is, there is no controlling the universe, or even the insignificance of human nature for that matter.

What tames us (our nature) is better stuff. The non-need to fight is what satisfies humans on the whole...just like any other animal.

If an asteroid were hurtling towards our earth, I'd be surprised if every religion, scientist, and whoever else would not pull together to try to avert the disaster.

Until that scenario presents itself, and in the meantime, we try to create disaster for each other in the name of short term pleasure.

Amadd,

That is what you believe.

That is what perhaps 99% of the people on the planet may believe.

That may be our perception of reality.

But, if what you said is true, i still want to know what the nature of the universe is [i.e. the universe which we perceive, the universe which we are aware of].

And as human beings, we are still grasping [at straws] to try to understand these things.

We DO NOT know.

And, imo, to say something like; "No matter how religious one is, there is no controlling the universe,..."
,
is just a little presumptuous.

And yes, maybe people like myself [people of faith], are being presumptuous too.

Amadd,

#1....
The fact is, that i am happy for you [and for people like you] to believe whatever you want to believe.

I believe something different, from most people.

My experience is that.....

What i believe, doesn't have very much value [to others], and trying to explain why i 'believe' [in a reality that differs from what most of us see] is futile,
.....so i am happy to revert to #1.i
"The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God."

Psalms

Religion and evolution have nothing do do with each other. Religious nutters only contradict science because they have nothing better to do with their time. They should get a life.

Back to top

IP Logged