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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #225 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:27am

Yadda wrote on Nov 4^th, 2012 at 8:42am:

Yadda wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 10:38pm:

Emma wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 9:48pm:

Because, the claim is that apes evolved into humans [i.e. ourselves], over a much shorter time span, than 100-Million-Years.

_ YADDA

Hee hee ... that is funny Yada... guess you don't keep up with archaeological and forensic anthropology.. !! Grin

......Has since been shown that human and ape species share a common 'ancestral trunk' ..but that a divergence occurred and branched off the main trunk, ... so in fact, we evolved along parallel tracks , towards different paths from then.

Does anyone want to address these evidences [links above] ?

Too hard, for all of you upright, rational, 'scientific process' enveloped bods

You have presented no evidence for anything, i should remind you evolution is a scientific fact the theory explains how it happens.

I dont have much time i have a life yet i am sure there are many atheists who will shred any argument you have on evolution at the atheist forum, i do post there under the same username.

Try here and i am sure many atheists will respond-
http://www.atheistforums.com

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #226 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:30am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

I am not questioning the theory of evolution.
I am questioning how anyone can subscribe to both the theory of evolution and the leftist theory of universal equality.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #227 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:38am

The worldview of the equality nuts can be summed up as follows:

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“After a period of hundreds of thousands of years, evolving under different climatic conditions, encountering different challenges such as the Ice Ages, suffering different epidemics, subjected to different catastrophes and good fortune, all races magically ended up equal.”

“All creation, including plant and animal life, is subject to the laws of heredity. Every organ of the human species is likewise governed by the laws of heredity. The human brain stands alone as the only object of creation whose functioning is unaffected by heredity and is controlled strictly by environment.”

As you can see, it's not consistent with the theory of evolution.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #228 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:38am Emma wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 8:56pm: that goes for MM and Soren ... as well. There's no religion or inserting of a divinity into my inquires. I am merely asking questions like a good researcher should.
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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #229 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:40am

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

The worldview of the equality nuts can be summed up as follows:

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“After a period of hundreds of thousands of years, evolving under different climatic conditions, encountering different challenges such as the Ice Ages, suffering different epidemics, subjected to different catastrophes and good fortune, all races magically ended up equal.”

“All creation, including plant and animal life, is subject to the laws of heredity. Every organ of the human species is likewise governed by the laws of heredity. The human brain stands alone as the only object of creation whose functioning is unaffected by heredity and is controlled strictly by environment.”

As you can see, it's not consistent with the theory of evolution.

Really? What exactly makes any race not equal?

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #230 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:42am

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:30am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

I am not questioning the theory of evolution.
I am questioning how anyone can subscribe to both the theory of evolution and the leftist theory of universal equality.

The thought process of leftists is something that has me bewildered at times so dont expect any answers from me on this.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #232 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #233 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #234 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:21am ... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:42am: So you agree with the statement spot? No i dont think so. They were all races of the same species all along. SOB
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #235 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:35am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:21am: ... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:42am: So you agree with the statement spot? No i dont think so. They were all races of the same species all along. SOB That wasn't the question. These are the same species too. Equal?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #236 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:41am And given the widespread conviction that 'we are not that different from apes', I am expecting a progressive movement demanding that apes be given the vote. How dare we maintain our clearly outdated speciesism. Apes of the world unite! Bananas all 'round!!
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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #237 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:51am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

I said I am not getting involved in the evolution discussion specifically. You made a statement that school teachers teach it as if that some how validates the subject. But even if every single science teacher did not agree with evolution, they would still have to teach it anyway. The fact that they teach it is not evidence of anything when they don't have a choice.

As for Sydney university scientist being all atheist...So what? Are you summoning the Borg with that statement? You asked if I know how science works. I know enough to know that the personal beliefs or non beliefs of the scientific department at one university does not validate anything.

Sometimes it seems as if a persons beliefs mean more than their methods. If an atheist scientist came out and said that water boils at 200C at sea level, while a Christian said 100C at sea level, I swear some people would agree with the atheist. After all, the other person is a Christian. Stupid religious people just have to be wrong about anything scientific, don't they?

Edit: I think there is a bit of a mix up. When you said biology teachers you probably meant University while I took it as high school, hence your latter comment about Sydney uni science department. My mistake if is assumed the wrong thing.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #238 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

Quantum wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 10:04am:

So it is very clear that some quality nuts are defending evolution quite vehemently.

The question then becomes: How do they reconcile belief in evolution, with the notion that everyone is equal?

The two are completely incompatible. Can anyone explain? I won't hold my breath....

Evolution is a scientific fact, Evolution is taught in biology classes are you saying every biology teacher is a nut?

Do you think they preach about virgin births in biology classes or do they teach sperm and egg?

Did the carnivores on Noah's Ark become temporary vegetarians for that pleasure cruise,what do you think they say about this in a biology class?

Everyone being equal is a flawed leftist theory which has nothing to do with evolution.

Really been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread, but that part...

It is in the curriculum. Teachers have to teach it irrespective of if they agree with it or not. Also, many people can agree with elements of evolution without accepting the whole story. Many people believe that any biological thing will go though subtle changers over time. That doesn't mean they believe that an ant like creature will turn into a flying elephant if you just give it enough time. After all, if we are to believe a few random chemicals over millions of years can turn into a human being, then an ant evolving into a flying elephant really is not impossible.

Just because a teacher teaches it in school does not mean they believe all of it without question.

Evolution is a scientific fact, if you can prove it is wrong then you will become famous.

If a scientific theory is wrong it has to be thrown out do you understand how science works?

All the biology teachers i know dont believe in virgin births,Noah or religion,
The science department at Sydney University is 100% atheist, yes i have asked.

I dont think you understand evolution at all your comments show this.

What is meant by the term common ancestor?

I said I am not getting involved in the evolution discussion specifically. You made a statement that school teachers teach it as if that some how validates the subject. But even if every single science teacher did not agree with evolution, they would still have to teach it anyway. The fact that they teach it is not evidence of anything when they don't have a choice.

As for Sydney university scientist being all atheist...So what? Are you summoning the Borg with that statement? You asked if I know how science works. I know enough to know that the personal beliefs or non beliefs of the scientific department at one university does not validate anything.

Sometimes it seems as if a persons beliefs mean more than their methods. If an atheist scientist came out and said that water boils at 200C at sea level, while a Christian said 100C at sea level, I swear some people would agree with the atheist. After all, the other person is a Christian. Stupid religious people just have to be wrong about anything scientific, don't they?

Edit: I think there is a bit of a mix up. When you said biology teachers you probably meant University while I took it as high school, hence your latter comment about Sydney uni science department. My mistake if is assumed the wrong thing.

Its hard to get involved with discussing evolution with those who misrepresent or misunderstand evolution, it is easy to tell who has done their homework on this subject.

The National academy of sciences had a survey and only 7% of their members believe in god which is less than 1 in 10 of those surveyed so atheism is rampant in the scientific community.

All the science teachers i know dont believe in religion they accept evolution.

Do you think they preach virgin births in high school biology or the sperm and egg?
Biology teachers are taught at universities that includes high school teachers.

Why would an atheist scientist claim water boils at 200C when all the evidence suggests otherwise, do scientists reject evidence or accept evidence?

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #239 - Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:32pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 6^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Religious people claim to have debunked evolution yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

It would be way too easy to quote you back to yourself: scientists claim to have debunked religion yet the truth is they dont even understand it.

That science emerged and flourished in the Christian West is not a fluke.

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