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Reply #285 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 10:40pm
 
Science is the application of the scientific method. We had technology before this, and the approaches of science were partly adopted throughout history in different cultures, but it wasn't until after the enlightenment it started to become more widely applied.

Science boosted technological achievements significantly by allowing us to test systematically. It not as though it was never done in the past, just called different things (like natural philosophy) and was more isolated and somewhat less rigorous.
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Reply #286 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 10:52pm
 

.. '..  left school at 15...'

science should probably have been the academic path I followed ... but ...I was lazy.

In fact.. Smiley   I still am.. ! Smiley
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Reply #287 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 10:58pm
 

and Soren ?? 

as for 'observation'... are you referring to the sign that lead the wise men to the Jesus child??
Smiley Grin

seems 'schooling' hasn't done you much good....  Tongue
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Reply #288 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:00pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 10:40pm:
Science is the application of the scientific method............




Is it, really ?



Does Richard Dawkins exist ?

The Dawkins Delusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERyh9YYEis


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Reply #289 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:04pm
 
Watch Phil Robinson, who appears to be Yadda's theological/creation doppelgänger.      Grin       Grin       Grin

Listen carefully to Phil Robinson's 'point by point', in his opening presentation.

Evolutionists Get Owned By Creationists on BBC TV Show                        13m
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sP63mfn0gg


Radioactive dating 'proves' an old earth, supposedly - But if in the first instance, rd is a flawed process, then relying upon rd must result in a flawed conclusion. And relying upon such a process would be unlikely to ever result in a correct conclusion.

The process of 'evolution' of the species found on earth, relies upon 'Natural Selection' - But the problem is, that in a 'selection' process, you can only select from what you already have. Where does the new [extra] biological information come from ?

Without a reliable dating process;
The age of rocks - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age of dinosaur fossils - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE
The age when dinosaurs lived - IS NOT CONCLUSIVE

And 'Natural Selection';
How can we get more information, from less information, gene wise ?



Richard Dawkins stumped by creationists question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g

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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #290 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:14pm
 
well Yadda

I refer you to a short essay by Stephen Jay Gould..entitled

'Adam's Navel'.

I have it in one of a series of small publications  Smiley by Penguin.
Penguin 60's ...
so  you should find it easy enough.

I think it really sums up the perplexing nature of thought ...
wth regard to the question of evolution  &   creation.


Recommended.!  Smiley
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Reply #291 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:49pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:04pm:
Radioactive dating 'proves' an old earth, supposedly - But if in the first instance, rd is a flawed process, then relying upon rd must result in a flawed conclusion. And relying upon such a process would be unlikely to ever result in a correct conclusion.


Exactly how is radiometric dating flawed?
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Reply #292 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:52pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:04pm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g[/url]


Well here is a reasonable reply
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Reply #293 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 12:00am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:04pm:
Watch Phil Robinson, who appears to be Yadda's theological/creation doppelgänger.      Grin       Grin       Grin

Listen carefully to Phil Robinson's 'point by point', in his opening presentation.

Evolutionists Get Owned By Creationists on BBC TV Show                        13m
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sP63mfn0gg


Oh wow, that hurt my brain. Lots of claims, little evidence to back them. Also other things such as I think this is wrong (let's say it is for the sake of the argument) that adds absolutely no credibility to religious explanations at all.
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Reply #294 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 4:53am
 
Typoical to just claim victory where none exists yadda. So I seethe answer to the question you refused to answer is that yes you believe in the rib and snake story. On some level you must know its silly though or you wouldn't have been so embarrassed to admit it. Even cardinal pel doesnt believe that story.

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Reply #295 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 9:58am
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:52pm:
Well here is a reasonable reply



Kytro,

Thank you.

I can not argue against the information that is presented.

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Reply #296 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:05am
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 11:49pm:
Exactly how is radiometric dating flawed?





Radiometric Dating Flaws
http://www.bestbiblescience.org/basics/sld024.htm






Unreliable results are common, examples presented.

Table 1:  The following is a comparison between rocks of known age Vs radiometric "age."
Radiometric Dating and the Age of the Earth
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/Radiometric%20Dating,%20and%20The%20Age%...



Google;
radiometric dating flawed, known age

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Reply #297 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:13am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:05am:

Unreliable results are common, examples presented.

Table 1:  The following is a comparison between rocks of known age Vs radiometric "age."
Radiometric Dating and the Age of the Earth
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/Radiometric%20Dating,%20and%20The%20Age%...




If scientists know that inconsistent results are likely and common [in the radiometric dating of rocks], isn't it unprofessional and even 'unscientific', to keep using, and, to keep relying upon the results of a process, of who's integrity has been widely questioned ?

If real scientists, really do have confidence in [the potential of] radiometric dating, shouldn't they present/develop a 'foolproof' methodology of applying that process, so as to obtain consistent results ?

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Reply #298 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:37am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:13am:
If real scientists, really do have confidence in [the potential of] radiometric dating, shouldn't they present/develop a 'foolproof' methodology of applying that process, so as to obtain consistent results ?


The thing is the results are almost always consistent. You have cited a few examples where they don't appear to be consistent, however there are limits to how particular dating methods work.

K-Ar dating for example doesn't work well with some types of lava deposits due to incomplete argon out-gassing or contamination of the lava flow with older material. In addition this method cannot be used to accurately determine the age of anything younger than about 100,000 years.

The vast majority of results are consistent across various methods such as:

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The Hawaiian archipelago was formed by the Pacific ocean plate moving over a hot spot at a slow but observable rate. Radiometric dates of the islands are consistent with the order and rate of their being positioned over the hot spot (Rubin 2001).

Radiometric dating is consistent with Milankovitch cycles, which depend only on astronomical factors such as precession of the earth's tilt and orbital eccentricity (Hilgen et al. 1997).

Radiometric dating is consistent with the luminescence dating method (Thompson n.d.; Thorne et al. 1999).

Radiometric dating gives results consistent with relative dating methods such as "deeper is older" (Lindsay 2000).



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Reply #299 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 10:39am
 
Interesting avatar yadda. Is it your cat?

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