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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21818 A cat with a view	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #300 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 1:04pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 9^th, 2012 at 10:39am: Interesting avatar yadda. Is it your cat? SOB Cat ? .....Cat ??? Wot CAT ? That, is not Felis catus. Isn't it obvious that that, is a Meerkat !
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Reply #301 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 5:46pm

Yadda,

1. No scientist involved in radiometric data would attempt to use the technique (K/Ar) for a samples under about 150,000 years. All the examples in your table are under 150,000 years. There is just not enough Ar accumulation over that period. Different radiometric methods are employed for different materials and ages. Radiocarbon dating has limitations and can only be used for samples that are younger than 60,000 years.

There are many different dating methods available, and not all are radiometric. For example thermoluminescence, rehydroxylation, OSL, PL etc.

Usually a combination of methods is used.

I realise that you will come back with a second equally flawed article and I'll point that out to you and you will shower me with an almost infinite series
of flawed articles.

Life is too short for me to respond to every single post, and I really don't think many people on here actually think the same way as you do, so I'll leave it at that.

2. What is this mysterious element Ur ? Is that Urite of the Chaldees?

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Reply #302 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 6:04pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 8^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Science is the application of the scientific method. We had technology before this, and the approaches of science were partly adopted throughout history in different cultures, but it wasn't until after the enlightenment it started to become more widely applied.

Science boosted technological achievements significantly by allowing us to test systematically. It not as though it was never done in the past, just called different things (like natural philosophy) and was more isolated and somewhat less rigorous.

No argument there, but a systematic approach is not limited by any requirement for an "experiment".

Here are some definitions of Science from the University of Georgia. Note that Science can have a number of different definitions.

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/1122sciencedefns.html

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There is no philosophical high-road in science, with epistemological signposts. No, we are in a jungle and find our way by trial and error, building our roads behind us as we proceed. We do not find sign-posts at cross-roads, but our own scouts erect them, to help the rest.

Max Born (1882-1970), Nobel Prize-winning physicist,
quoted in Gerald Holton's Thematic Origins of Scientific Thought

If he was a Nobel winning physicist, I guess he might have had a clue as to what Science was all about.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #303 - Nov 9^th, 2012 at 10:36pm quite...!! SOB - - the subject has devolved to such nit-picking , which is typical Yadda, yeah. .... yawn - can't win the argument/discussion/debate/stoush.. so he does his best to bore his opposition into submission.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #304 - Nov 10^th, 2012 at 5:23am Yadda said: Quote: That, is not Felis catus. Isn't it obvious that that, is a Meerkat ! SOB
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21818 A cat with a view	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #305 - Nov 10^th, 2012 at 10:35am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 10^th, 2012 at 5:23am: Yadda said: http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/tdomf/29573/Sad%20Cat%20with%2... SOB You made laugh SPOT. That is a start.
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Reply #306 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 10:18am

muso wrote on Nov 7^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:

You cannot prove anything in science, you can only disprove (testable) things, which is why it's always open to revision. The point is the explaining power of the theory is one of the strongest science has provided us with.

Science has shown it's capability with what we have been able to achieve using that method. Once creationist ideas start to get stuff done in the same manner, I might consider them to be worthwhile, but right now the are little more than wishful thinking.

On the other hand, mathematical concepts, such as the Price Equation, which deals with the evolution of things such as altruism, can be proved. [/quote]

It is one thing to prove a mathematical equation, and another to declare that something to which the maths has been applied - evolution, climate change, etc - conforms to that equation completely, without any residue.

This is not surprising - except for a scientist, perhaps - as the selection of the data is not part of the mathematical equation itself. The data selection is not part of the mathematics.

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Reply #307 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 11:00am

Soren wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 10:18am:

It is one thing to prove a mathematical equation, and another to declare that something to which the maths has been applied - evolution, climate change, etc - conforms to that equation completely, without any residue.

This is not surprising - except for a scientist, perhaps - as the selection of the data is not part of the mathematical equation itself. The data selection is not part of the mathematics.

I wasn't implying that anything outside the mathematics could be proved in this case. It's a mathematical concept - that's all - it's as useful as a philosophical concept.

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Reply #308 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 6:38pm

muso wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 11:00am:

I wasn't implying that anything outside the mathematics could be proved in this case. It's a mathematical concept - that's all - it's as useful as a philosophical concept.

You were implying precisely that: mathematical equation applied to the evolution of altruism.

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On the other hand, mathematical concepts, such as the Price Equation, which deals with the evolution of things such as altruism, can be proved.

Neither evolution nor altruism are mathematical in any way. Approaching them so they would yield data and then mathematically describing that data is not the same as life and kindness and solidarity and all the rest of it as these things occur and as they are lived and experienced.

The world and life are not data.

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Reply #309 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 7:00pm

Soren wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

You were implying precisely that: mathematical equation applied to the evolution of altruism.

Neither evolution nor altruism are mathematical in any way. Approaching them so they would yield data and then mathematically describing that data is not the same as life and kindness and solidarity and all the rest of it as these things occur and as they are lived and experienced.

The world and life are not data.

Way off again soren . . . . .

http://www.mathematicsofevolution.com/

And 100s of other scientific sites.

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Reply #310 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 7:19pm

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Neither evolution nor altruism are mathematical in any way. Approaching them so they would yield data and then mathematically describing that data is not the same as life and kindness and solidarity and all the rest of it as these things occur and as they are lived and experienced.

The world and life are not data.

What exactly are you basing this on?

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Reply #311 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 7:29pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Way off again soren . . . . .

http://www.mathematicsofevolution.com/

And 100s of other scientific sites.

SOB

I think you 'fluffed' again SPOT.

At SPOT's link.....

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About This Website

Prior to the discovery of DNA, the evidence against the theory of evolution was significant. Since the discovery of DNA the evidence against the theory of evolution has become overwhelming!!

Literally, because of the discovery of DNA, the theory of evolution has become the most absurd scientific theory in the history of science!! For example, could a DVD of country music (which represents DNA) be randomly mutated into a new Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto or anything else that is useful (meaning the DNA of a new species)? Obviously not.

Yet, the theory of evolution claims that human DNA, which is 3.2 billion pairs of nucleotides long, came to exist by a long series of accidental "mutations" to DNA. What nonsense.

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The second book on this website has a different focus. While the above book is a razor blade which slices the theory of evolution to shreds, this second book is a sledge hammer to crush the theory of evolution. It shows no mercy for the mathematical absurdity of the theory of evolution. This book is 271 pages and is called: Introduction To The Mathematics of Evolution.

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Reply #312 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 8:07pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 11^th, 2012 at 7:00pm:

Way off again soren . . . . .

http://www.mathematicsofevolution.com/

And 100s of other scientific sites.

SOB

You stupid git - what the hell do you understand?? FA.

Here's the author of that book, you thick bloody cat-fancier:

About R. Webster Kehr, Cancer Researcher Since 2002

Webster Kehr was born on October 7, 1946 in Jefferson City, Missouri (USA). He is married to the former Marit Olaug Liset (Norway). Marit is retired and spends her time doing Norwegian genealogy. They have 7 children and 18 grandchildren!! Webster and Marit live on 6 acres in eastern Kansas.

Webster is an ex-Marine (i.e. U.S. Marine Corps) and was seriously wounded in Viet Nam. After the military he served for two years as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Their website: www.mormon.org). After his mission he graduated twice from Brigham Young University, first in mathematics, then in accounting.

Webster has been the Vice President-Finance of an insurance company and the Vice President-Project Manager of a market research company. Currently, he works as a Department of Army Civilian at Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas.

Webster is the author of many physics and mathematics papers. He is the author of the online physics book: The Detection of Ether, and an online book on theoretical mathematics: Hinged Sets and the Answer to the Continuum Hypothesis.

It turns out that Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity and his photon theory are both false. Webster's experiments while at Sprint Corporation (which proved you cannot detect the motion of our earth towards the constellation Leo by using a laser beam) proved that both of these theories are false.

Both of Webster's books can be found at:
Tesla Physics Website: Physics Book and Mathematics Book

Webster is also an expert on evolution and considers the theory of evolution to be mathematical nonsense. In truth, much of the money which supports the ludicrous theory of evolution comes from those who profit from the pharmaceutical industry money pie. When people believe in evolution they are more likely to use drugs than Mother Nature when they get sick.

Here are two anti-evolution websites by the author:
The Mathematics of Evolution (for the General Public)
Prophets or Evolution (for Latter-Day Saints)

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #313 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 8:37pm you are getting bizarre Soren,,
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax Reply #314 - Nov 11^th, 2012 at 8:49pm Click on the post, Aunty, it's all a link. Read it for yourself - or is that too bizarro a concept for womyn of a certain age, set in their ways?....
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