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Reply #330 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 9:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 11th, 2012 at 6:38pm:
You were implying precisely that: mathematical equation applied to the evolution of altruism.



Neither evolution nor altruism are mathematical in any way. Approaching them so they would yield data and then mathematically describing that data is not the same as life and kindness and solidarity and all the rest of it as these things occur and as they are lived and experienced.


The world and life are not data.


Very foggy today, isn't it?
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Reply #331 - Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:07pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 9:56pm:
Very foggy today, isn't it?


Mais non!

It is... lovely veather ve are having. I hope ze veather continues.

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Reply #332 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:03am
 
... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 12:04pm:
Yes.  But don't listen to me, listen to the man himself:



He became an agnostic later in life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Charles_Darwin

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Reply #333 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:05am
 
... wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 12:05pm:
Why don't you explain the relationship between them?


you think you are so smart you do it

@ least i understand there is a relationship between them

Do you? I thought you understood everything i do?

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Reply #334 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 8:07am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:05am:
@ least i understand there is a relationship between them






No you don't. You don't understand even the relationship. You do not understand whether there is a relationship. All you know is that some people have some ideas that you do not understand. That's it. You don't understand evolution, mathematics, or any combination of the two or anything that might relate or not relate to them. You do not know any whys or why nots.
You are simply putting words next to each other without the faintest idea of what they mean in any particular combination.

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Reply #335 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 9:23am
 
@ SPOT.....

Soren wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 8:07am:

No you don't. You don't understand even the relationship. You do not understand whether there is a relationship. All you know is that some people have some ideas that you do not understand. That's it. You don't understand evolution, mathematics, or any combination of the two or anything that might relate or not relate to them. You do not know any whys or why nots.
You are simply putting words next to each other without the faintest idea of what they mean in any particular combination.




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Reply #336 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
Ahh so because you believe in the fairy tales you have to just try to insult anyone else who doesnt because you really dont have any argument.

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Reply #337 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:40am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 5:05am:
you think you are so smart you do it

@ least i understand there is a relationship between them

Do you? I thought you understood everything i do?

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What is the relationship between them?
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Reply #338 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 11:46am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:03am:
Ahh so because you believe in the fairy tales you have to just try to insult anyone else who doesnt because you really dont have any argument.




I am not insulting you, I am telling you that you do not understandd any of this.
I have posted my argument, in response to muso. You have posted random words and links which you do not understand. When you are told that you do not understand, you say it doesn't matter, you understand the relationship. When I say you don't understand anything, you post an irrelevant cartoon and bleet about insults.

You understand absolutely nothing. That is my argument. Your contribution to the last couple of pages of this thread and your thousands of posts elsewhere are evidence in support of my argument.

You can prove me wrong by demonstrating that you understand what you have aasserted.
But all you can do is prove me right.
If it offends you that I - and most others - notice that you understand nothing, well, you can stick it up your cat's spot by way of advancing feline evolution.





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Reply #339 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 2:56pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:03am:
Ahh so because you believe in the fairy tales you have to just try to insult anyone else who doesnt because you really dont have any argument.

http://donstuff.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/adam-and-eve.gif

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It is amazing how much you go around insulting anyone who is not an atheist, but you somehow think others are closed minded and abusive towards difference of opinion. Your view of all things is that you are right, and anyone who disagrees is an idiot and therefore must be a "fairytale" believer. You are incapable of offering a logical thought, but instead think that everyone else is confused and irrational. You never have a constructive argument, but just a chain of irrelevant thoughts and insults crammed into a sentence. You are the laughing stock of this forum, and I pity you and that empty delusional existence that you call life.
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Reply #340 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 3:46pm
 
Sorry, but I had to address this as it was full of errors.

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Introduction

Many times students hear that the theory of evolution is a "proven fact of science."

The reality is that the theory of evolution is NOT a proven fact of science.

For example, the theory of evolution requires that life be created from simple chemicals. 
It requires the conversion of “life from non-life.”


This is completely false. Evolution requires no such thing and is a theory about home life changes over time, it says nothing about life coming from non-life.

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Such a conversion has never been demonstrated and such a conversion has never been
proven to be possible.  For example, the complex chemical binding of many amino
acids, necessary to create proteins, has never been demonstrated to be possible outside
of cells.


The theory of life coming from non-life is called Abiogenesis. The Millar-Urey and similar experiments have indeed produced amino acids in conditions thought to be similar to the early earth and not in cells. So this is clearly not entirely accurate. Suffice it to say that this theory isn't yet agreed upon or complete.

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Even the simplest life on earth, which does not require a host, is far too complex to form
by a series of accidents.  Therefore the theory of evolution requires that the first “life”
was a form of life which does not exist on this earth any more.  Thus, according to the
theory of evolution, the “first living cell,” meaning the first living cell on this planet, is a
species which no longer exists on this earth.


That's an interesting claim. It's "too complex". This is basically claiming because you cannot imagine it, it must be impossible or the argument from incredulity. This claim has no basis in fact, billions of years of many simultaneous events provides a lot of possible outcomes.

The theory of evolution does not require a first life form, as I have pointed out.

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The theory of evolution also requires massive amounts of new genetic information form
by totally random mutations of DNA.  For example, the “first living cell” would have had a
very simple and very short DNA strand.  However, human DNA would be much, much
longer and far, far more complex.  In other words, human DNA has millions of times
more complex genetic information than the “first living cell” would have had according to
the theory of evolution.

New genetic information, including at least one new gene, has never been observed in
nature, nor has new genetic information, created by random mutations of DNA, ever
been accomplished in a science lab.


Really? No "new" information has ever been observed. I could re-iterate, but this should be sufficient

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No fully functional computer program on earth has been improved upon by randomly
changing and adding “bits” of information.  Likewise, no fully functional DNA strand has
been improved upon by randomly changing and adding nucleotides.


Perhaps they have never heard of genetic algorithms

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The truth is that any honest geneticist will tell you that the DNA of almost all plants and
animals is deteriorating (this is called “genetic entropy”).  “Point mutations,” meaning a
mutation of a single nucleotide, are overwhelmingly negative.  But even when point
mutations yield a positive result, it is generally an environmental coincidence caused by
a loss of genetic information.


Pretty much the only time this term is used is by John C. Standford (and his supporters) in his book, in which he criticises evolution. It's certainly not most geneticists.

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Thus, why would the scientific establishment claim that the theory of evolution is a
proven fact of science; when in fact every shred of actual scientific evidence is
overwhelmingly against the theory of evolution?


Because the evidence quoted is incorrect and terrible, that's why.
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Re: Evidence of Evolution being a hoax
Reply #341 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 9:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 10:07pm:
Mais non!

It is... lovely veather ve are having. I hope ze veather continues.

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Mathematics explains itself. Altruism is not defined as kindness, but I don't expect you to understand its application.  For the purposes of evolution, altruism is defined as the genetic predisposition to behavior which decreases individual fitness while increasing the average fitness of the group to which the individual belongs.
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Reply #342 - Nov 13th, 2012 at 10:41pm
 
muso wrote on Nov 13th, 2012 at 9:01pm:
Mathematics explains itself. Altruism is not defined as kindness, but I don't expect you to understand its application.  For the purposes of evolution, altruism is defined as the genetic predisposition to behavior which decreases individual fitness while increasing the average fitness of the group to which the individual belongs.




You mean it's the application of antropomorphic terms to animals in order to explain - post-hoc, always post hoc - some behaviour that we comprehend only in antropocentric terms?

(I almost said "the little dog laughed to see such craft" but then I thought it would be too close to the bone, so I didn't.)

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Reply #343 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 12:11am
 
gotta give you points for argumentativeness Soren. !
but thats all.

your view is obscured by cant, and you are deaf to other voices,...   only the voice of the Lord eh??
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
the points you raise are rather fantastical and contrived, and show nothing of objectivity.

I choose to not argue with  you, 'cos thats not what's happening here.

Hence, you are a pretentious twerp....  who doesn't even believe what he is arguing, .. ah perhaps that's why you do this? hmm??  need a bit of bolstering ??  hmm??

you are truly boring, and repetitive, and unoriginal, and worthy only of abuse and ridicule,..  so
give SOB a break,  'cos this nitprick really needs a swat.  Give Soren a bit of stick,  'cause  he REALLY deserves it,  AND,  he's happy to 'do unto others'...  Tongue

- time for a bit of a reply ,  NO ??? 
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Reply #344 - Nov 14th, 2012 at 12:19am
 
Ohh Ohhh  and I really must commend

Kytro's recent reply to Sorend ,.... you are quite correct IMO.  Smiley

In fact, your response was the inspiration for my replies here.  Smiley
But I wouldn't waste my time attempting to reason with him... if I were U. Wink

Muso will continue to strive to part the kelp that surrounds Sorend, and swim into and stimulate his creativity,  I guess I understand that Muso,  wheres I find him too foolish to pay much serious attention to.
Of course I can't resist a tease now and then....  the man must walk around with , as you suggested,  in a way,  a serious FUG.!!
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