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Can quantum physics explain the perception of self
Oct 31^st, 2012 at 11:09am

Can quantum physics explain the perception of self ?

Is the perception of self, now able to be explained by quantum physics ?

Or are we [humans] grasping for an explanation, of what is still essentially inexplicable - the widespread reports throughout history, by many people, of out of body experiences ?

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PUBLISHED: 10:38 GMT, 30 October 2012
Near-death experiences occur when the soul leaves the nervous system.......claim two quantum physics experts

......'Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state.

'The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large.

'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".'

He adds: 'If they're not revived, and the patient dies, it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-expla...

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #1 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:03pm Are you implying we have no explanations for OBEs?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #2 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:08pm Kytro wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:03pm: Are you implying we have no explanations for OBEs? well do we?
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bobbythefap1 Gold Member Offline Posts: 7026 Listen now to the rain	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #3 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:26pm OBE's are pretty obviously a product of the pineal glands production of DMT.
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Reply #4 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:30pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:26pm:

OBE's are pretty obviously a product of the pineal glands production of DMT.

Feigning certainty doesn't make you sound any smarter you know. Quite the opposite in fact. You might be onto something but saying it's pretty obvious' just makes you sound like a cockhead. More so.

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Reply #5 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:34pm

... wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:30pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:26pm:

OBE's are pretty obviously a product of the pineal glands production of DMT.

Feigning certainty doesn't make you sound any smarter you know. Quite the opposite in fact. You might be onto something but saying it's pretty obvious' just makes you sound like a cockhead. More so.

If you can find one other even close to possible explanation then I will not feign certainty.
The only other option is "god" at the moment.

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Kytro Gold Member Offline Blasphemy: a victimless crime Posts: 3409 Adelaide Gender:	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #6 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:45pm We certainly have some reasonably good explanations. If you like I can give you more details, but wiki should suffice as a starting point
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Reply #7 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:23pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:26pm:

OBE's are pretty obviously a product of the pineal glands production of DMT.

Not really.

There is no evidence that DMT has any influence in producing OBE's.

Have you ever experienced a waking OBE ?

And, how would you explain the perception [during an OBE] of [real, existing] physical objects, that you could not/or had not been aware of [nor seen] while awake in your body ???

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The existence of physical objects, perceived during and OBE, and the existence of which, is confirmed [by going there], after the OBE, when 'awake', back in your body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21894 A cat with a view	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #8 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:25pm Kytro wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:03pm: Are you implying we have no explanations for OBEs? So, what is 'our' explanation for the OBE ? Have you ever experienced a waking OBE ?
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21894 A cat with a view	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #9 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:46pm p.s. I do still occasionally experience OBE's [dream based]. And i have experienced waking OBE's [but not for several years]. And i do not take 'recreational' or psychotropic drugs.
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Reply #10 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:00pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 11:09am:

Can quantum physics explain the perception of self ?

Never mind that.
Can quantum physics explain quantum physics? No. It needs the help of a self-perceiving self.
Same with all other science, by the way, even evolution - they are all incapable of explaining themselves. They are all dependent, utterly dependent for their existence, on the human mind, which is their exclusive dwelling place.

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Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self
Reply #11 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:14pm

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 7:23pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 5:26pm:

OBE's are pretty obviously a product of the pineal glands production of DMT.

Not really.

There is no evidence that DMT has any influence in producing OBE's.

Have you ever experienced a waking OBE ?

And, how would you explain the perception [during an OBE] of [real, existing] physical objects, that you could not/or had not been aware of [nor seen] while awake in your body ???

i.e.
The existence of physical objects, perceived during and OBE, and the existence of which, is confirmed [by going there], after the OBE, when 'awake', back in your body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

Many people who take DMT as a drug experience OBE's.
DMT is produced in the pineal gland and released primarily while one is sleeping, its what causes us to dream.
When you wake out of REM you would still have DMT active in your brain which creates OBE's and other experiences like lucid dreaming and sleep paralysis. When people wake up normally they do not come directly out of REM which is why people aren't tripping all the time.
What more of a link could you really need?

If your waking up out of REM in a semi concision state how can someone be certain they did not open their eyes and see the objects for example?

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And i do not take 'recreational' or psychotropic drugs.

Apart from DMT.

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Have you ever experienced a waking OBE ?

I have experienced DMT after waking up from REM once, sort of like sleep paralysis.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #12 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:21pm Can quantum physics explain the perception of self?? Surely... you're joking!
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Reply #13 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 11:09am:

Can quantum physics explain the perception of self ?

Never mind that.
Can quantum physics explain quantum physics? No. It needs the help of a self-perceiving self.
Same with all other science, by the way, even evolution - they are all incapable of explaining themselves. They are all dependent, utterly dependent for their existence, on the human mind, which is their exclusive dwelling place.

I don't think you actually understand what quantum physics and evolution are.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21894 A cat with a view	Re: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self Reply #14 - Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:28pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 31^st, 2012 at 9:21pm: Can quantum physics explain the perception of self?? Surely... you're joking! And, who can understand 'quantum physics' ?? Its something to do with the existence and action of neutrinos, isn't it ???
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