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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #45 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:31pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

IM not saying the Treasurer doesnt deserve some mocking. But at the end of they day they have a REAL surplus and the spreadsheet is of little consequence. The bills are paid in $ - not excel cell formulae.

Mocking - it goes to competence - he apparently has none?

This asks a lot of question especially with the Libs still denying a surplus?

Were the errors intentional or is he really incompetent?

The suggested surplus was literally not achievable had the economy been in as bad a shape as they have assured us that it was in, they were clearly telling us lies and have been caught out badly.

The only reason they would want a bad result is so that they can justify doing some more nasty things and to distance the Labor government from the positive result.

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #46 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #47 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:31pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

IM not saying the Treasurer doesnt deserve some mocking. But at the end of they day they have a REAL surplus and the spreadsheet is of little consequence. The bills are paid in $ - not excel cell formulae.

Mocking - it goes to competence - he apparently has none?

This asks a lot of question especially with the Libs still denying a surplus?

Were the errors intentional or is he really incompetent?

The suggested surplus was literally not achievable had the economy been in as bad a shape as they have assured us that it was in, they were clearly telling us lies and have been caught out badly.

The only reason they would want a bad result is so that they can justify doing some more nasty things and to distance the Labor government from the positive result.

It would seem the logical answers are -
Yes!
Yes!
Yes!
& Yes!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #48 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #49 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:09pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:45am:

PN is trying to show he/she understand economics - been doing for years now

The reality is this:

(1) The Auditor General found inconsistencies in the current reporting system

(2) This is the same reporting system Labor have been using for the last 10 years

(3) This is the same system that produced deficits under a Labor government but produced a surplus under a LIB government - why is that??!!

PN is trying to infer that the LIBs are to be blamed for the current reporting system

GM
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Caught out??? They were 'caught out' by an error in a spreadsheet - hardly the stuff of legend in the world of govt mistakes. and this mistake meant they were actually in SURPLUS. Its like redoing your personal accounts and finding $10,000 extra. Its the kind of 'mistake' we all dream of!

They were caught out by around 40 errors + in a spread sheet.

A spreadsheet that the treasurer is responsible for ensuring is correct.

The one where the numbers are added up to form the NSW budget, the end result of the Treasurers year of work.

(1) The Auditor General found inconsistencies in the current reporting system

No the errors were in the budget accounting, this is audited every budget, this is the first time this type of errors have been found.

(2) This is the same reporting system Labor have been using for the last 10 years

Yes with no substantial errors in accounting identified during the audit process.

PN is trying to show he/she understand economics - been doing for years now

PN getting it wrong if he did has no consequences, there they're their is a much greater problem when Mr Baired the NSW treasurer shows us that he is not capable of correctly keeping the ststes books in order.

IM not saying the Treasurer doesnt deserve some mocking. But at the end of they day they have a REAL surplus and the spreadsheet is of little consequence. The bills are paid in $ - not excel cell formulae.

But, the excel spreadsheets, really aren't that difficult!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #50 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #51 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:25pm

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

Let's start with the facts first:

(1) Took over the Budget after 16 years of Labor rule

(2) Made a error of judgement not to do an audit of the Budgeting system that was left to him in 2011

His only error was to assume Labor was competent and honest in the Budgeting

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #52 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:42pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:25pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

Let's start with the facts first:

(1) Took over the Budget after 16 years of Labor rule

(2) Made a error of judgement not to do an audit of the Budgeting system that was left to him in 2011

His only error was to assume Labor was competent and honest in the Budgeting

The truth is Labor left the NSW treasury in much better shape than the Libs were willing to admit.

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #53 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:43pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:25pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

Let's start with the facts first:

(1) Took over the Budget after 16 years of Labor rule

(2) Made a error of judgement not to do an audit of the Budgeting system that was left to him in 2011

His only error was to assume Labor was competent and honest in the Budgeting

(1) Is Irrelevant!

(2) The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

It seems you may be growing older, but you certainly are not getting any smarter or wiser!

According to the Auditor General, there were many "errors" and they relate to how the 2011-2012 Budget was done, no more, no less!

As I have said previously, on many occasions, I am an equal opportunity employer, so when I see Labor stuff up, like the Libs have here, I will treat them similarly!

Now, IF that's the best you've got, then you've got nothin!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #54 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:46pm

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:25pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

Let's start with the facts first:

(1) Took over the Budget after 16 years of Labor rule

(2) Made a error of judgement not to do an audit of the Budgeting system that was left to him in 2011

His only error was to assume Labor was competent and honest in the Budgeting

The truth is Labor left the NSW treasury in much better shape than the Libs were willing to admit.

That would seem to be the case!
They may not have been as good as they should have been, but they were better than the image, the Liberals wanted to push!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #55 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 3:21pm

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:25pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

Let's start with the facts first:

(1) Took over the Budget after 16 years of Labor rule

(2) Made a error of judgement not to do an audit of the Budgeting system that was left to him in 2011

His only error was to assume Labor was competent and honest in the Budgeting

The truth is Labor left the NSW treasury in much better shape than the Libs were willing to admit.

That would seem to be the case!
They may not have been as good as they should have been, but they were better than the image, the Liberals wanted to push!

So why blame the LIBs for these errors?

Because it suits your political bias rather than reinforce your economic integrity

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #56 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 3:37pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:46pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:42pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:25pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:07pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:03pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 11:57am:

In true pinhead style... blame the Libs for an ACTUAL surplus and a spreadsheet error but ignore Labors massive over-spending and deficit ways.

Longy,
You still have that read difficulty -

The REAL Reality is that -
The Auditor General said, there were "37 errors greater than $20 million in his examination of the 2011-12 accounts, including two mistakes worth more than $1 billion each."

The Auditor General also said, ""I would say a $1 million error is unfortunate. A $10 million error is undesirable. But a $100 million error is totally unacceptable.

"The NSW government is a billion dollar business, it is not a school tuckshop."

The blunders included errors in spreadsheets, data entry, end of year accruals and reconciliation processes."

Like Maqqa, your bias is showing!

Your ignorance is abundantly clear

Really?
How so?

Let's start with the facts first:

(1) Took over the Budget after 16 years of Labor rule

(2) Made a error of judgement not to do an audit of the Budgeting system that was left to him in 2011

His only error was to assume Labor was competent and honest in the Budgeting

The truth is Labor left the NSW treasury in much better shape than the Libs were willing to admit.

That would seem to be the case!
They may not have been as good as they should have been, but they were better than the image, the Liberals wanted to push!

So why blame the LIBs for these errors?

Because it suits your political bias rather than reinforce your economic integrity

1) Because it was the Libs that caused the "errors" to be made.
2) Because many people & Business take their lead, from their perceptions of things, such as how the Economy is tracking & IF Budgets, Liberal or Labor & State or Federal, deliberately screw with Budget & other figures, then they may well also screw with the proper directions that individuals & Business may well have taken!

As I have said on many previously occasion, I am an equal opportunity employer & my preference is to Sack ALL incumbents and together, we can make a new start!

That's my Political & Economic integrity and YOURS IS MORE PARTY POLITICAL SPIN!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #57 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 4:39pm

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:09pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:45am:

PN is trying to show he/she understand economics - been doing for years now

The reality is this:

(1) The Auditor General found inconsistencies in the current reporting system

(2) This is the same reporting system Labor have been using for the last 10 years

(3) This is the same system that produced deficits under a Labor government but produced a surplus under a LIB government - why is that??!!

PN is trying to infer that the LIBs are to be blamed for the current reporting system

GM
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Caught out??? They were 'caught out' by an error in a spreadsheet - hardly the stuff of legend in the world of govt mistakes. and this mistake meant they were actually in SURPLUS. Its like redoing your personal accounts and finding $10,000 extra. Its the kind of 'mistake' we all dream of!

They were caught out by around 40 errors + in a spread sheet.

A spreadsheet that the treasurer is responsible for ensuring is correct.

The one where the numbers are added up to form the NSW budget, the end result of the Treasurers year of work.

(1) The Auditor General found inconsistencies in the current reporting system

No the errors were in the budget accounting, this is audited every budget, this is the first time this type of errors have been found.

(2) This is the same reporting system Labor have been using for the last 10 years

Yes with no substantial errors in accounting identified during the audit process.

PN is trying to show he/she understand economics - been doing for years now

PN getting it wrong if he did has no consequences, there they're their is a much greater problem when Mr Baired the NSW treasurer shows us that he is not capable of correctly keeping the ststes books in order.

IM not saying the Treasurer doesnt deserve some mocking. But at the end of they day they have a REAL surplus and the spreadsheet is of little consequence. The bills are paid in $ - not excel cell formulae.

But, the excel spreadsheets, really aren't that difficult!

you think it was one sheet of 25 cells?

have you ever used excel to do more than add up a table of items?

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #58 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 7:27pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 4:39pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 2:09pm:

gold_medal wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:14pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 12:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 8:45am:

PN is trying to show he/she understand economics - been doing for years now

The reality is this:

(1) The Auditor General found inconsistencies in the current reporting system

(2) This is the same reporting system Labor have been using for the last 10 years

(3) This is the same system that produced deficits under a Labor government but produced a surplus under a LIB government - why is that??!!

PN is trying to infer that the LIBs are to be blamed for the current reporting system

GM
Quote:

Caught out??? They were 'caught out' by an error in a spreadsheet - hardly the stuff of legend in the world of govt mistakes. and this mistake meant they were actually in SURPLUS. Its like redoing your personal accounts and finding $10,000 extra. Its the kind of 'mistake' we all dream of!

They were caught out by around 40 errors + in a spread sheet.

A spreadsheet that the treasurer is responsible for ensuring is correct.

The one where the numbers are added up to form the NSW budget, the end result of the Treasurers year of work.

(1) The Auditor General found inconsistencies in the current reporting system

No the errors were in the budget accounting, this is audited every budget, this is the first time this type of errors have been found.

(2) This is the same reporting system Labor have been using for the last 10 years

Yes with no substantial errors in accounting identified during the audit process.

PN is trying to show he/she understand economics - been doing for years now

PN getting it wrong if he did has no consequences, there they're their is a much greater problem when Mr Baired the NSW treasurer shows us that he is not capable of correctly keeping the ststes books in order.

IM not saying the Treasurer doesnt deserve some mocking. But at the end of they day they have a REAL surplus and the spreadsheet is of little consequence. The bills are paid in $ - not excel cell formulae.

But, the excel spreadsheets, really aren't that difficult!

you think it was one sheet of 25 cells?

have you ever used excel to do more than add up a table of items?

Longy,
Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the excel spread sheet, as has been clearly indicated, by the Auditor General!

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Re: A Maqqa's Surplus, that was?
Reply #59 - Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 7:35pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2012 at 3:21pm:

So why blame the LIBs for these errors?

Because they are very serious errors and because the Liberals obviously made them.

There is a treasurer and his only job at the end of the day is to ensure that they get this process right, he has all year to make sure that the budget he presents is correct.

You would be having a picnic and simultaneous coronary had Labor failed so dismally.

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