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IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again
Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

So Labor and Greens will be pushing hard for Turnbull to challenge Abbott because this will be the only way they will win the next election

Lets assume Turnbull becomes leader again. The LIBs have to somehow deal with

(1) Labor and Greens' attacks on Turnbull's support for the carbon tax so we will quickly see the 61% support turn to 25% support quick enough

(2) Get Turnbull to be anti carbon tax - Turnbull is not going to do this

(3) Labor heavily depended on repealing Workchoices in 2007 - LIBs will heavily depend on repealing the Carbon Tax in 2013

So skippy, adel and other leftards who disingenuously says they would consider supporting the LIBs if Turnbull returned - that's just 3 or 4 votes at best.

We don't want your vote to win. We don't need your vote to win.

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Shane B Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1473 Canberra Gender:	Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again Reply #1 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:16pm Those fruit cakes would never vote Libs if Turnbull was leader. Abbott will find him a nice diplomatic post if he wants a career change.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again Reply #2 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:18pm I have a chook raffle that needs leading. Turnbull can do that.
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again Reply #3 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:38pm If I wanted a real labor leader Id vote for Gillard. I dont need TWO labor leaders to choose from.
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Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again
Reply #4 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

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Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

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Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again
Reply #5 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:46pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

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Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

Ancient history.

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Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again
Reply #6 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:55pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

.

Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

Abbott legitimacy is SlippInG

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Reply #7 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:19pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:38pm:

If I wanted a real labor leader Id vote for Gillard. I dont need TWO labor leaders to choose from.

i disagree with that, tony is very close to gillard in terms of where he will take the economy.he is a big spender, big government man.

i dont know where turnbull would take the economy but at least he has SOME business credentials. tonys only real knowledge of small business seems to be flogging that dead horse of a carbon tax at every shop in queenbeyan.

it is a mute arguement anyway. turnbull will NEVER be leader as the faceless men hate his guts.
and hockey, ranting on about cuts to the baby bonus being bad and people need a double pram for their second child.

they have no idea.

neither party cares a flying f#ck about small business and it is small business that will be required to employ and run the country.

surely the libs dont think bhp, rio, woolies and canberra should be the epicentre of the economy.

if tony had any guts he would explain to australia why we need a new version of workchoices, why we need to quit the welfare state and reward excellence.

he is as phoney as jules (quite an achievement)and stands for nothing but power for powers sake.

and no, you cant have campbell Wink

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Reply #8 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:48pm

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

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Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

TWO YEARS AGO - IQ-of-two.

You dont think something might have changed since then? like being 16% BEHIND labor to now being 5% in front??

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Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again
Reply #9 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:53pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

.

Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

TWO YEARS AGO - IQ-of-two.

You dont think something might have changed since then? like being 16% BEHIND labor to now being 5% in front??

The skippy logic is the very reason gillard is still PM. Labor would not get rid of her because she was able to lie to win an election. She can lie and win again.

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Reply #10 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:56pm

Turnbull belongs to the now rare breed of 'small-l' liberals, who are ideologically predisposed to classic libertarianism - individualistic and champions of the free market. The idea that he has more in common with labor and labor voters is a myth IMO. People look superficially at the 'progressive' issues like gay marriage, multiculturalism, republicanism etc to make this connection, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the 'core' labor values such as unionism, workers rights, economic regulation etc are anathema to libertarians like Turnbull. And in fact the big l liberals like Abbott have far more in common with the core labor values - especially big government and to some extent economic regulation.

The truth is, if the liberals made Turnbull the leader again, we might actually have a contest where the ideological distinctions between the two parties are very clear. This hasn't happened in Australian federal politics since the days of Whitlam and Fraser.

Another myth expressed by Maqqa is that Abbott toppled Turnbull over the carbon tax. Turnbull was considered damaged goods by the liberal party after the utegate fiasco, and was basically living on borrowed time since that. As for the liberals and the carbon tax - Maqqa seems to have forgotton that Howard had made pricing carbon official coalition policy, and took it to the 2007 election.

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Re: IMO - Turnbull will never be leader again
Reply #11 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:56pm

gold_medal wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:48pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

As I have prefaced - it is my opinion only.

There is no doubt the LIBs are going to the next election with the anti-carbon tax line. They will win because of this.

Labor will take a huge hit. So will the Greens

Turnbull supports a carbon tax

Turnbull was challenged by Abbott because he went out on his own with a carbon tax

.

Turnbull only lost by one vote to phony tony dimwit, so half the party were " out on his own " with him,you really are a doofus.

TWO YEARS AGO - IQ-of-two.

You dont think something might have changed since then? like being 16% BEHIND labor to now being 5% in front??

5% in some polls, but some are 50/50 . Besides its obvious to those with more than 2 brain cells, so that rules you out, that the coalitions lead is diminishing, and its a trend . Also , Abbott is miles behind Gillard and still going backwards,person of questionable character.

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Reply #12 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Turnbull belongs to the now rare breed of 'small-l' liberals, who are ideologically predisposed to classic libertarianism - individualistic and champions of the free market. The idea that he has more in common with labor and labor voters is a myth IMO. People look superficially at the 'progressive' issues like gay marriage, multiculturalism, republicanism etc to make this connection, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the 'core' labor values such as unionism, workers rights, economic regulation etc are anathema to libertarians like Turnbull. And in fact the big l liberals like Abbott have far more in common with the core labor values - especially big government and to some extent economic regulation.

The truth is, if the liberals made Turnbull the leader again, we might actually have a contest where the ideological distinctions between the two parties are very clear. This hasn't happened in Australian federal politics since the days of Whitlam and Fraser.

Another myth expressed by Maqqa is that Abbott toppled Turnbull over the carbon tax. Turnbull was considered damaged goods by the liberal party after the utegate fiasco, and was basically living on borrowed time since that. As for the liberals and the carbon tax - Maqqa seems to have forgotton that Howard had made pricing carbon official coalition policy, and took it to the 2007 election.

You do realise turnbull had his chance and showed very little of what you speak of.

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Reply #13 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:08pm

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 5^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

You do realise turnbull had his chance and showed very little of what you speak of.

I can't remember much of what he did as opposition leader, but his libertarian credentials aren't disputed. I guess its hard to outline a grand libertarian vision to his party as well as the electorate when all his time is occupied with trashing labor's GFC response and chasing red herrings like utegate. His faction is in a minority you realise, and especially when his position was so tenuous within the party, he wasn't exactly in a position to promote a small l agenda.

Had he made it to an election campaign, I daresay you would have seen some more concrete libertarian policies - though he would have had a *HUGE* fight on his hands getting it past the majority of big l liberals (not to mention the nationals who are probably the most pro-big government of all).

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Reply #14 - Nov 5^th, 2012 at 7:16pm

the libs will never put Turnbull in, no matter how much they need him , just like labor will never put Rudd back in ... despite the fact that these two options are probably the best options for everyone ... their real problem is a lack of real choice with Turnbull out of the running .... someone has to replace Abbott, they all know it ... but they don't know who to replace him with .. Hockey has proven to be quite the idiot, and Pyne ... well, the less said the better ....

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