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We moslems must obey local laws - NOT
Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:35am
 
'We moslems must obey local laws.' - NOT






abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Calanen wrote on Nov 5th, 2012 at 6:55am:
What a load of rubbish.

Sharia law requires that anyone who insults the prophet dies, and the way Islam says to kill such people is beheading. So it is fair to say that the majority of people there who were muslims would have agreed with it. What they would not agree with is tipping the infidels off by having a stupid banner in English.

Yeah right no idea, you know exactly what idea. Any who insults the Prophet - kill him. Remember?


I didn't say anything about it not being shari'ah law.


But Australia is not a domain that implements shari'ah law, therefore carrying such banners is pointless, and as Muslims we do not agree with calling for things that contradict the laws of the land.



Therefore most Muslims do not agree with these banners, simple.

You can call it rubbish all you like.





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The 'commitment', made by moslems, to obey the laws of a host country, is always a highly 'qualified' commitment.




If you listen carefully, to the words that are used by moslems, in relation to their commitment to obey the laws of their [secular] host country, you will notice that moslems [will frequently] make a 'weasel words' 'commitment';


"We moslems must obey the laws of our host country,
             .......whenever those laws [of the host country] are not in conflict with ISLAMIC law."




But the fact is that much of ISLAMIC law is in conflict with the laws of many Western secular states, which laws guarantee tolerance and equality in law, for every citizen/resident.


e.g.
ISLAMIC law is almost always in conflict with Western secular states, in the areas of family law, in inheritance law, in the societal position of women, and the position in law of those who are not moslem.





e.g.
ISLAMIC law states that;

Point of difference #1,
A non-moslem man may not lawfully marry a moslem woman.

A moslem woman may not lawfully marry a non-moslem man.            Koran 2.221



Point of difference #2,
And moslem parents may lawfully kill their [disobedient] children.                  "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).


Point of difference #3,
A married woman must always make herself sexually available to her husband.

"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe."
Koran 2.223

Dictionary;
tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage.





Point of difference #4,
A husband may take up to 4 wives.            Koran 4.3





Point of difference #5,
A moslem man may beat his disobedient wife.          Koran 4.034     "beat them (lightly)" is often quoted.    n.b. The 'clarifying' insertion, "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC, IN THE KORAN.     And one can only assume that this 'insertion' has been added in some English translations of the Koran - so as to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran.          Google; Taqiyya





Point of difference #6,
A non-moslem man may not give evidence in a court of law, against a moslem.   [....because such a circumstance, if permitted would upset the natural order of things; Being, that the 'guided' moslem, is [always] an innocent person before the law. Kufar, are the guilty people. Always.]






Point of difference #7,
A married moslem woman who claims [makes the accusation in a court] that she has been raped [by a 'stranger(s)'], must provide 4 male witnesses to the rape [to substaniate her accusation], or she herself may face the punishment of stoning, for her acknowledged/admitted adultery [i.e. her sex out of marraige].





Point of difference #8,
If a non-moslem kills a moslem, ISLAMIC law states that the non-moslem must be executed.
But a moslem must not be punished in law equally, whenever a moslem kills a non-moslem.    Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 283:    Bukhari Hadith Volume 9, Book 83, Number 50:






Point of difference #9,
Under ISLAMIC inheritance law any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir.            Koran 4.11
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.






I am sure that there are even more examples, of where secular laws [in host nations], would be in conflict with ISLAMIC law, but those above are enough to demonstrate the chasm in equity, that exists between ISLAMIC laws, and the tolerance and equality in law, that is found in the laws of most Western jurisdictions.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: We moslems must obey local laws - NOT
Reply #1 - Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:41am
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:35am:

The 'commitment', made by moslems, to obey the laws of a host country, is always a highly 'qualified' commitment.









'ITS OK TO STEAL FROM THOSE WHO ARE NOT OF OUR CULTURE'....

News items...

Aust
Three charged over alleged Islamic school fraud offences totalling more than $3 million.
Jun 27, 2008

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/06/27/2288006.htm

UK
"Even paying car insurance was seen as supporting the system. All the (Saviour Sect) brothers drive without insurance, he said....."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html

Aust - and yet another 'racist' policeman is 'exposed' by an honest moslem community leader. /sarc off
Consider the 'example' which is being driven home, to his own moslem community, of how his fellow moslems should 'respect' 'Australian laws, by a prominant 'Australian'[???] moslem community leader.
[who is he? think 'cat meat']...
"2003
Mufti arrested after police struggle
Police will summons the spiritual leader of Australia's Muslim community, following a struggle with a highway patrol officer in Sydney's west yesterday morning.
...Police say the car was found to be unregistered and uninsured and a struggle followed."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200301/s758587.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s758722.htm

March 12, 2007
Australia: Hardline clerics urge tax cheating
"Some Muslims in Australia apparently believe that only dhimmis pay taxes. "Hardline clerics urge tax cheating," by Richard Kerbaj in The Australian, with thanks to Dylan:
    HARDLINE Muslim clerics are encouraging their followers to cheat the tax system because they consider paying income tax contrary to Islamic law."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21371194-2702,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015618.php

Consider;
If even 'Australian'[???] >> moslem community leaders << say [within their own community] that it is 'offensive' for moslems to obey our laws and for moslems to pay [their] taxes, then where is the 'up side' [for our Australian community] in our relationship with the members of such a culture ?

If you take such an argument [i.e. 'We don't have to obey your laws.'] to its logical conclusion [and you can!], if moslems, those lovers of Sharia, despise our laws, and only respect the laws of their own culture, i.e. Sharia,
....THEN ALL THINGS ARE PERMISSIBLE, IF THEY ARE PERMITTED BY SHARIA.

What 'things' ?

'ALL THINGS' = = many, many, unlawful things, by our laws.

e.g.
Stealing, abduction, rape, murder......are all sanctioned as 'lawful' acts by ISLAM [within an ISLAMIC 'circumstance'], when they are committed against those who are 'not like us', against those who, 'do not believe, as we believe'.





What we believe, determines how we act.

Think about that.

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Re: We moslems must obey local laws - NOT
Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2012 at 4:21pm
 
Islam views all laws which are not sharia as manmade rubbish, they can be ignored. Only sharia matters.

Islam is very much like 1984, with Doublethink, where two or more competing and contradictory ideas can be held at the same time.

Supposedly muslims are meant to obey the kuffar laws provided they are permitted to practice their religion. But, this is considered applicable only if this new land welcomes the muslim in to give them refuge - it is considered inapplicable if the muslim is born in the kuffar country. The pact is considered null and void if the kuffar country does anything the muslims do not like, and let's face it, their list is long.

In addition, practising their religion means taking all steps to Islamify the country, and get as much Islam and sharia practices and laws into the country as possible, through either coercion, persuasion, intimidation and then violence if the kuffars will not give way.

Islam accommodates nothing and nobody, only the West must accommodate Islam at every turn.
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Re: We moslems must obey local laws - NOT
Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2012 at 5:31am
 
Gawd you ppl are ridiculous

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