'We moslems must obey local laws.' - NOT
abu_rashid wrote on Nov 5
th, 2012 at 10:13pm:
Calanen wrote on Nov 5
th, 2012 at 6:55am:
What a load of rubbish.
Sharia law requires that anyone who insults the prophet dies, and the way Islam says to kill such people is beheading. So it is fair to say that the majority of people there who were muslims would have agreed with it. What they would not agree with is tipping the infidels off by having a stupid banner in English.
Yeah right no idea, you know exactly what idea. Any who insults the Prophet - kill him. Remember?
I didn't say anything about it not being shari'ah law.
But Australia is not a domain that implements shari'ah law, therefore carrying such banners is pointless, and as Muslims we do not agree with calling for things that contradict the laws of the land.
Therefore most Muslims do not agree with these banners, simple.
You can call it rubbish all you like.
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The 'commitment', made by moslems, to obey the laws of a host country, is always a highly 'qualified' commitment.
If you listen carefully, to the words that are used by moslems, in relation to their commitment to obey the laws of their [secular] host country, you will notice that moslems [will frequently] make a 'weasel words' 'commitment';
"We moslems must obey the laws of our host country,
.......whenever those laws [of the host country] are not in conflict with ISLAMIC law."
But the fact is that much of ISLAMIC law is in conflict with the laws of many Western secular states, which laws guarantee tolerance and equality in law, for every citizen/resident.
e.g.
ISLAMIC law is almost always in conflict with Western secular states, in the areas of family law, in inheritance law, in the societal position of women, and the position in law of those who are not moslem.
e.g.
ISLAMIC law states that;
Point of difference #1,A non-moslem man may not lawfully marry a moslem woman.
A moslem woman may not lawfully marry a non-moslem man. Koran 2.221
Point of difference #2,And moslem parents may lawfully kill their [disobedient] children. "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).
Point of difference #3,A married woman must always make herself sexually available to her husband.
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Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe."
Koran 2.223
Dictionary;
tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage.Point of difference #4,A husband may take up to 4 wives. Koran 4.3
Point of difference #5,A moslem man may beat his disobedient wife. Koran 4.034 "beat them (lightly)" is often quoted. n.b.
The 'clarifying' insertion, "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC, IN THE KORAN. And one can only assume that this 'insertion' has been added in some English translations of the Koran -
so as to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran. Google; Taqiyya
Point of difference #6,A non-moslem man may not give evidence in a court of law, against a moslem. [....because such a circumstance, if permitted would upset the natural order of things; Being, that the 'guided' moslem, is [always] an innocent person before the law. Kufar, are the guilty people. Always.]
Point of difference #7,A married moslem woman who claims [makes the accusation in a court] that she has been raped [by a 'stranger(s)'], must provide 4 male witnesses to the rape [to substaniate her accusation], or she herself may face the punishment of stoning, for her acknowledged/admitted adultery [i.e. her sex out of marraige].
Point of difference #8,If a non-moslem kills a moslem, ISLAMIC law states that the non-moslem must be executed.
But a moslem must not be punished in law equally, whenever a moslem kills a non-moslem. Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 283: Bukhari Hadith Volume 9, Book 83, Number 50:
Point of difference #9,Under ISLAMIC inheritance law any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir. Koran 4.11
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.
I am sure that there are even more examples, of where secular laws [in host nations], would be in conflict with ISLAMIC law, but those above are enough to demonstrate the chasm in equity, that exists between ISLAMIC laws, and the tolerance and equality in law, that is found in the laws of most Western jurisdictions.