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Reply #60 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:34pm

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 8:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:36pm:

An ideologue? Now that really is going too far. Moderators, ban this man.

Here I was thinking you were going to present evidence of a Muslim state persecuting non-Muslim minorities.

But no. You and the old boy have provided examples of Muslims prosecuting the state - and each other. Yes, and there is an example of a mob burning down a church.

I wonder if they were investigated and prosecuted. Given the Indians run the Malaysian legal system, you would think the church could at least sue for damages. They certainly made the religious police return the Christian schoolbooks.

You goons have gone and provided evidence of a Malaysian rule of law. One always slips up with cut and paste jobs. And a list of headlines? Yadda, even for you, that’s plain ridiculous.

Yadda calling me an idealogue. Yes, friends, you heard it here first.

Don't be a d!ckhead as well as a PB, PB. You said Malaysia was an example of Muslim freedom of religion.
But it isn't.
Nor is Egypt, Lybia, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, any of the Fvckoffistans, Indonesia, Iran, Kuwait, UAE - none of them.

But now you are tucking into some other poo sandwich with the usual evasive grin, hoping that it doesn't get spotted that you are already full of sh!t.

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Please name one Muslim majority country where people of other faiths or atheists can live as equals and without fear and persecution!.

Just one? Malaysia. It’s just up the road from Australia.

I loved the headline supposedly quoting Malaysia’s "Prime Minister" as saying freedom and liberalism don’t wash with Islam.

This is Malaysia, remember, still in the shadow of Mahatir.

For those of you who don’t know, Mahatir went to great pains to show the world how liberal Malaysia is. Still does. Not enough not to prosecute his opposition leader for sodomy, but enough to make Abu see Malaysia as a Western, neoliberal puppet.

Try harder, old boy. Your retort was a softcock cut and paste job with nothing of substance. True, they have the rattan and the firing squad, and the odd mob, but nothing Mother England didn’t leave behind.

We have the Cronulla riots and you lot cheering from the sidelines. Still, we’re a far more tolerant than Malaysia.

And yes, some of us even see this as a strength.

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Reply #61 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:08am

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:45pm:

n.b. LGBT = = Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals and Transsexuals

[color=#0000ff][b][i]"Malaysia's Prime Minister: LGBTs, liberalism, and pluralism are enemies of Islam"

Y, I'd like to get this right, so it would be great if you could confirm. Are you defending the rights of LGBTs in Malaysia?

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Reply #63 - Nov 21^st, 2012 at 12:18pm

JC Denton wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 11:46am:

like yadda wouldnt have been one of those boys leading the charge opposing that homosexuals not be deinstutitionalized a few decades back.

Do you think? If I'm not mistaken, Y thinks homosexuals should be institutionalized now.

I wonder how his beliefs differ from Malaysia's "Prime Minister".

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

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Reply #64 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:39am

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:21pm:

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

Y, you keep quoting the war mongers. Very few Muslims are political jihadists - many Muslims see this as a corruption of Islam.

I’m talking about Muslims who say they respect other religions, who live in Hindu or Buddhist or Christan communities as peaceful citizens, as they have for generations. They don’t claim to be biding their time. They just go about their affairs like anyone else. I’ve sat down with Persian ones, Kashmiris, Malays, Afghans, most of them very nice and not one warmonger or jihadist, and I asked.

Are they pretending?

Also, if you don’t mind me asking, have you ever been to a Muslim neighbourhood? If you did, you would have seen Muslims shopping and picking up their kids and doing heaps of things other than bomb-making.

Are they all just biding their time? Do you really think that? Islam’s been around for 1200 years. Surely they would have given up by now.

Yawn I've heard all this apologist crap before, a thousand times.

Please name one Muslim majority country where people of other faiths or atheists can live as equals and without fear and persecution!.

Just one? Malaysia. It’s just up the road from Australia. I’d name Indonesia too, but some Islands aren’t as nice as Bali,

The beheadings and acid throwing happen in Middle Eastern and Central Asian countries.

The world’s a big place. Sadly, it’s usually the people who are small.

Yes and Malysia is slowly heading the same direction as the others. At some point it will either tip in a more moderate/liberal direction or more likely towards radicalism!

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Reply #65 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:25am

There were some concerns a few years back that its north eastern state was heading that way, and it was. Apparently in Kota Bharu, colonials like myself couldn’t even buy a beer!

You can now. Malaysia’s saving grace is its Chinese and Indian populations. The Chinese run business, the Indians as I’ve said, rule the legal system, and Malays dominate the government. It’s a strange division of power that goes back to the days of British rule.

Malaysia has Shariah courts in some provinces, but they apply only to Muslims. Sure, volunteer cops can get a bit stroppy and confiscate Christian school books, but as the old boy has shown there is access to a secular legal system. Lo! The books were returned.

I’m not sure about churches, but some parts of Malaysia have more Chinese temples and spirit houses than I’ve ever seen. A Hindu temple was condemned in KL. What do you know? Maybe it didn’t meet council regulations.

Malaysia has a lot of developing teething problems, but far fewer religious or ethnic tensions than minority Muslim populations in southern Thailand and the southern Philippines. It’s not a backward Islamic state by any stretch of the imagination.

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Reply #66 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:26am

There were some concerns a few years back that its north eastern state was heading that way, and it was. Apparently in Kota Bharu, colonials like myself couldn’t even buy a beer!

You can now. Malaysia’s saving grace is its Chinese and Indian populations. The Chinese run business, the Indians as I’ve said, rule the legal system, and Malays dominate the government. It’s a strange division of power that goes back to the days of British rule.

Malaysia has Shariah courts in some provinces, but they apply only to Muslims. Sure, volunteer cops can get a bit stroppy and confiscate Christian school books, but as the old boy has shown there is access to a secular legal system. Lo! The books were returned.

I’m not sure about churches, but some parts of Malaysia have more Chinese temples and spirit houses than I’ve ever seen. A Hindu temple was condemned in KL. What do you know? Maybe it didn’t meet council regulations.

Malaysia has a lot of developing teething problems, but far fewer religious or ethnic tensions than minority Muslim populations in southern Thailand and the southern Philippines. It’s not a backward Islamic state by any stretch of the imagination.

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Reply #67 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 9:11am

karnal,
i saw this one and i am interested in your take on it. i think they have a point.
i agree we need to try to get on because , lets face it , our nearest neighbours are a massive muslim nation and we dont want to go down the israeli path.(though they could fire rockets at christmas island with my blessing)
so what you say???

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo Reply #68 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:17pm What can you say to slogans? It's the reason most of Yadda's posts get ignored. Still, it's a good slogan, and like many things, there is some truth in it.
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Reply #69 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 4:03pm

thank you karnal.

my aim would be this.
there are lots of rich muselmen Wink

, throughout the world.
rather silly of a country to piss them off.
even if you dont particularly like them, no reason not to try to have a positive relationship with them.

we can sell lots of racehorses to dubai (we already do)
lots of rich arabs in crown casino, paying their taxes and propping up our economy.

1.5 billion muselmen arent going to change their beliefs because a few aussies dont like em.

i dont think they are too fanatical anyway , 99 % of them.
i know a girl who got a job in london doing extremely highly paid massage work sometimes involving a "happy ending' and she said 90 % of her customers were arab men.

came home with enought to buy a house outright.
see, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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Reply #70 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 12:00am

Karnal wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:26am:

There were some concerns a few years back that its north eastern state was heading that way, and it was. Apparently in Kota Bharu, colonials like myself couldn’t even buy a beer!

You can now. Malaysia’s saving grace is its Chinese and Indian populations. The Chinese run business, the Indians as I’ve said, rule the legal system, and Malays dominate the government. It’s a strange division of power that goes back to the days of British rule.

Malaysia has Shariah courts in some provinces, but they apply only to Muslims. Sure, volunteer cops can get a bit stroppy and confiscate Christian school books, but as the old boy has shown there is access to a secular legal system. Lo! The books were returned.

I’m not sure about churches, but some parts of Malaysia have more Chinese temples and spirit houses than I’ve ever seen. A Hindu temple was condemned in KL. What do you know? Maybe it didn’t meet council regulations.

Malaysia has a lot of developing teething problems, but far fewer religious or ethnic tensions than minority Muslim populations in southern Thailand and the southern Philippines. It’s not a backward Islamic state by any stretch of the imagination.

Its hardly safe from sliding into Islamic misery as most countries start slowly to do so after they reach a few % of the population. Malaysia may have a unique balance of power but not one that isnt likely to change at some point!

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Reply #71 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 6:32am

Karnal wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:34pm:

I loved the headline supposedly quoting Malaysia’s "Prime Minister" as saying freedom and liberalism don’t wash with Islam.

This is Malaysia, remember, still in the shadow of Mahatir.

For those of you who don’t know, Mahatir went to great pains to show the world how liberal Malaysia is. Still does.

Not enough not to prosecute his opposition leader for sodomy, but enough to make Abu see Malaysia as a Western, neoliberal puppet.

Try harder, old boy.

Your retort was a softcock cut and paste job with nothing of substance.

True, they have the rattan and the firing squad, and the odd mob, but nothing Mother England didn’t leave behind.

Muslims can't leave Islam: Dr Mahathir

Malaysian Muslim politician wants meeting with Christian leaders and former Muslims

Mahathir: No such thing as a moderate Muslim
Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad today asked Muslims to do away with false assumptions when declaring themselves as moderate followers of Islam because the religion is indeed moderate.
The former prime minister said Muslims did not need to defend themselves as moderate or liberal Muslims as this gave a picture that were only partial followers of Islamic teachings while others (teachings) were deemed extreme.
"Islam is already a moderate religion...

[BUT THEN moslem dissembling revealed....]

Malaysian Prime Minister: Show moderate face of Islam to counter Islamophobia

Malaysia, truly a Sharia state: Former Muslim finds out how much 'guarantees' of religious freedom in Malaysian constitution are worth

Malaysia: Christian lawyer barred from Sharia courts
As far as Sharia supremacists are concerned, Sharia is justice, no matter how unjust it may appear to the unaided eye. "Malaysian Christian lawyer barred from Shariah courts," from the BBC, March 17 (thanks to Twostellas):
A Christian lawyer in Malaysia has failed in her attempt to be allowed to practise in the Muslim Shariah courts.
Victoria Jayaseele Martin said she wanted to appear for non-Muslim clients fighting in such courts, to provide them with fairer representation.

Malaysia, Sharia, and the Pact of Umar

Modern, moderate Malaysian Muslim clerics ban soccer jerseys with crosses on them: "You are only promoting the devil"

Malaysian state holding seminar on "threat of Christianity"

Malaysia: Muslim leader misunderstands Islam, says: "Islam has never advocated religious freedom as the believers should accept that the religion is the only truth"

Malaysia: Kuala Lumpur's official Friday sermon says "Jews are the main enemy to Muslims"

Sharia in action in modern, moderate Malaysia: Publisher of banned book on reform in Islam to be hauled before Sharia court

Malaysian deputy prime minister: Islam not compatible with freedom, liberal thought

A message from Malaysia's king: "Muslims need to emulate Prophet Muhammad"

Senators Lieberman and McCain: Malaysia is a model Muslim country
U.S. senator (and former presidential candidate) John McCain as well as US senator (and former vice presidential candidate) Joe Lieberman are visiting Malaysia this week. It turns out that they have nothing but good things to say about Malaysia. From "Malaysia is a model Muslim country"

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We have the Cronulla riots and you lot cheering from the sidelines.

Still, we’re a far more tolerant than Malaysia.

And yes, some of us even see this as a strength.

The Cronulla riots ?

Yes what a reprehensible incident that was.

All Australians should be ashamed of the conduct of Australians during that incident.
/sarc off

Poor victim moslems, again!!!

Moslems, are always being 'oppressed', by the wicked kuffar.

Right ?

But wait just a minute.

What was teh cause of the vehement protests by Australians, against local moslems ???

Was there no provocation on the part of moslems ???

You certainly do not reveal one.

Q.
What was the cause of the Cronulla riots ?

A.
Moslems themselves were the cause of the Cronulla riots.

What was the cause of the Cronulla riots ?

The Cronulla riots were the result of the actions of wannabe moslem 'warriors' who were intent upon intimidating and insulting Australian women on an Australian beach.
[and apparently this 'sport' had been an ongoing common tactic of many local moslems, i.e. going to local beachs, and intimidating local women and young girls. and where was teh condemnation of these moslem thugs, from the moslem community ? .....the sound of crickets chirping.].
And then a volunteer beach Life Saver, came to the assistance of the women being intimidated by those moslems, and those moslems decided to act like moslem 'warriors' [because they needed 'to defend ISLAM' [and their moslem 'honour'], and], decided to assault the single volunteer beach Life Saver.

Yes, moslems must be so proud of the conduct which ISLAM inspires, in the body of moslems.
/sarc off

And again, where was teh condemnation of these moslem thugs, from the moslem community ?

.....the sound of crickets chirping.

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah.......[and it is the 'unbelievers' who] are perverted transgressors."

Koran 3.110

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo Reply #72 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 7:53am So if Muslims started the Cronulla riots, why did the rioters attack any old Indian, Greek and Christian Leb ?
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo Reply #73 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 7:58am Alan Jones and his bogan followers started the Cronulla riots.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34530 Gender:	Re: This is another wonderful day for ISLAMISTS and fo Reply #74 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 8:01am yes fault on both sides isinit bogans must be kept away from mulims isinit build a wall thru maroubra isinit
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