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Reply #75 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:21pm
 
Avram why was it ok for people like your 'grandparents' to defend themselves in Nazi ghettos but not ok for Palestinians to defend themselves in Scumraeli ghettos?
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Reply #76 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:23pm
 
Israel is trying to start WW3 so they dont have to deal with Iran alone.
Lets just hope Russia and China get a few nukes into the region to stop Israel from copying the Nazis in WW2 coz the yanks are not gonna try and stop them.
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Reply #77 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:23pm
 
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:18pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:09pm:
lisa.greek wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:02pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:51pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
Do you know where Gaza is?

You will note that I have not said you are occupying internal Gaza officially.


We are not occupying Gaza at all.
We gave it to them.
Guess who had before we. Palestinians? Wrong. Egypt.
Egyptians think Palestinians are second class like Jordan does, like Lebanon does, like Tunisians does.

Palestinians are treated better by Israel than their Arab "friends".

Trust me there is just one people more disliked than Palestinians in their Arab League and it is Iranians.



My apologies here - I was born in the 50s so have only history to guide me.    My understanding is that the Jewish people were so despised that no one wanted them.   I also understand that an agreement was reached between Britain and the USA ( plus other countries) that an annexure of another country would be forced to house these apparently unwanted people .   Is this true?


I am in the 1980s born but no that's not correct.
There is different views on the birth of the state of Israel.
My grandparents are there early after they yes are not welcome in Czech Republic when they come from a Nazi camp.
But they are invited by Ben Guriin to come and live in peace in Israel new state.
The intent is for shared states both Arab and Jew but this becomes not possible.
The Arabs attack from day 0

I guess they had a pretty good propaganda system operating in Israel by then hey...
Those same grandparents who saw death camps in a concentration camp?  Cheesy Wink

Ben Guriin really had nothing to do with it, he may have invited some people but it was the Palestinians who accepted millions of Jewish refugees into Palestine.
The Jews then proceeded to repay their kindness by violently forcing them from their homes and killing thousands of innocent people.
Unfortunately it is not possible to violently and illegally force peoples from their homes and not have some of them defend themselves, although obviously its possible to hypocritically complain when they defend themselves.



I am only going to say to you 1 more time, there was a Nazi killing operation at Majdanek where my grandfather was after he is taken from Praha.

Show some respect.
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Reply #78 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:28pm
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:18pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:09pm:
lisa.greek wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:02pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:51pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
Do you know where Gaza is?

You will note that I have not said you are occupying internal Gaza officially.


We are not occupying Gaza at all.
We gave it to them.
Guess who had before we. Palestinians? Wrong. Egypt.
Egyptians think Palestinians are second class like Jordan does, like Lebanon does, like Tunisians does.

Palestinians are treated better by Israel than their Arab "friends".

Trust me there is just one people more disliked than Palestinians in their Arab League and it is Iranians.



My apologies here - I was born in the 50s so have only history to guide me.    My understanding is that the Jewish people were so despised that no one wanted them.   I also understand that an agreement was reached between Britain and the USA ( plus other countries) that an annexure of another country would be forced to house these apparently unwanted people .   Is this true?


I am in the 1980s born but no that's not correct.
There is different views on the birth of the state of Israel.
My grandparents are there early after they yes are not welcome in Czech Republic when they come from a Nazi camp.
But they are invited by Ben Guriin to come and live in peace in Israel new state.
The intent is for shared states both Arab and Jew but this becomes not possible.
The Arabs attack from day 0

I guess they had a pretty good propaganda system operating in Israel by then hey...
Those same grandparents who saw death camps in a concentration camp?  Cheesy Wink

Ben Guriin really had nothing to do with it, he may have invited some people but it was the Palestinians who accepted millions of Jewish refugees into Palestine.
The Jews then proceeded to repay their kindness by violently forcing them from their homes and killing thousands of innocent people.
Unfortunately it is not possible to violently and illegally force peoples from their homes and not have some of them defend themselves, although obviously its possible to hypocritically complain when they defend themselves.



I am only going to say to you 1 more time, there was a Nazi killing operation at Majdanek where my grandfather was after he is taken from Praha.

Show some respect.

Already forced to ignore 90% of what I say...History never repeats they say  Roll Eyes

I never said people weren't killed there, I said the holocaust didn't happen there.

A terrorist telling people to have respect?
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Reply #79 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:34pm
 
It is the Engineering Corps, they are always the first reservists called.


Gantz issues IDF draft orders for 16,000 reservists

By YAAKOV LAPPIN


IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz issued draft orders for 16,000 reservists on Friday, as Operation Pillar of Defense entered its third day. Most of the reservists serve in the IDF's Engineering Corps.

The engineering corps would play a vital part in any ground operation into the Gaza Strip, enabling armored vehicles to move across the border into Gaza. The IDF operation to root out terror in the coastal territory has consisted of air raids on terror targets thus far.

The Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee unanimously authorized on Thursday Defense Minister Ehud Barak's request to enlist up to 30,000 reservists.

The IDF will issue "order nine," which is an irregular order in cases of emergency for reservists to immediately report to duty.

"The residents of the south are in the real line of fire, and only their strength will allow the IDF to meet its capabilities," Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee chairman Ronnie Bar-On (Kadima) said. "Israel is passing on a clear message to terrorist organizations in Gaza that disrupting life in the South will not continue."

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Reply #80 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:41pm
 
For you aussies who do not know about the situation - which i understand.


Gaza reality

By JERUSALEM POST EDITORIAL

11/15/2012 22:28

While Israel has not only the right but the moral obligation to defend the residents of the South, Operation Pillar of Defense – like Operation Cast Lead – will not change the fundamental dynamics in Gaza.

It was clear that Israel had to act to restore its deterrence in the South. During most of the nearly four years since Operation Cast Lead ended with a strong Israeli victory, Hamas not only refrained from attacking Israel, but also actively prevented other terrorist organizations operating in Gaza – Islamic Jihad, Salafists and al-Qaida affiliated groups – from launching attacks.

But all that has changed. Hamas become increasingly daring.

The rise to power in Egypt of its ally and ideological comrade the Muslim Brotherhood was one factor leading to Hamas’s belligerence. Hamas allowed itself to be more daring, emboldened by the fact that its neighbor, the most populous Arab state, identifies with Hamas’s goals and that the majority of Egyptians are virulent opponents of Israel.

And the Muslim Brotherhood is on the ascendancy elsewhere, from Tunisia and Morocco, where there are Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated governments, to Jordan and Libya. In Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood is one of the largest opposition forces fighting to overthrow the Assad regime.

In the eyes of many Muslims supporting Muslim Brotherhood-oriented movements in the region, or those with an even more religiously extreme, militantly uncompromising position, Hamas is revered for spearheading the offensive against “the Zionist entity.”

A striking sign that Hamas has achieved considerable regional and international legitimacy was the emir of Qatar’s recent visit to the Gaza Strip, which included a promise to provide $400 million in reconstruction aid to the Hamas government.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, interested in cashing in on the Sunni Islamist resurgence brought by the Arab Spring to revive the Ottoman-era Turkish dominance of the region, is also reportedly considering a formal visit to Gaza.

Meanwhile, justifiably or not, the Muslim world perceives the Obama administration as weak. And Hamas is betting that as the conflict in the south drags on, US President Barack Obama will be less outspoken than George W. Bush was in his support of Israel. And Egypt – which is highly dependent on US aid – is betting that it will not be put under enormous US pressure to force Hamas to stop the rocket and mortar fire against Israel.

Under the new geopolitical circumstances, Hamas has not only allowed the various terrorist organizations in Gaza to shoot rockets and mortar shells at civilians in the South and attack IDF patrols. The anti- Semitic terrorist organization – which includes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in its official Charter – has increasingly launched attacks of its own. The resulting escalations have resulted in nearly 1,000 rockets and mortar shells fired at Israel since the beginning of the year.

Israel was left little choice but to use force to restore deterrence. Hamas must be made to realize that it will pay a hefty price for targeting innocent Israelis. And a broad consensus that spans the mainstream political spectrum supports the move.

But we must keep our expectations to a minimum.

Just as Operation Cast Lead did not fundamentally change the reality on the ground in Gaza, the present military offensive – Operation Pillar of Defense – will not transform the Gaza Strip. Islamist extremists pursuing the reactionary goal of returning the Arab world to an imagined, pristine Islam that purportedly existed centuries ago is on the ascendancy not just in Gaza but across the region.

This message is particularly potent for Gaza’s 1.6 million (and growing) population – 44 percent of whom are aged 14 or under, according to the CIA World Factbook.

Young people tend to be particularly susceptible to the sort of unwavering black-and-white certainty proffered by fundamentalist Islam.

While Israel has not only the right but the moral obligation to defend the residents of the South, Operation Pillar of Defense – like Operation Cast Lead – will not change the fundamental dynamics in Gaza. We hope that, as was the case with Cast Lead, Pillar of Defense will restore our military deterrence, which – in the present geopolitical situation – is the only means of achieving quiet in the South.
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Reply #81 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:44pm
 
The first line is bunk..
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While Israel has not only the right but the moral obligation to defend the residents of the South, Operation Pillar of Defense – like Operation Cast Lead – will not change the fundamental dynamics in Gaza.

By the definition of the word it is impossible for Israel to be defending itself.

Obviously not going to be worth wasting my time to read the rest of the 'article'.
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Reply #82 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 9:08pm
 
Israel is trying to start WW3 so they dont have to deal with Iran alone.
Lets just hope Russia and China get a few nukes into the region to stop Israel from copying the Nazis in WW2 coz the yanks are not gonna try and stop them.



What a vile twisted person you are.
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Reply #83 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 9:15pm
 
Dr No wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 9:08pm:
Israel is trying to start WW3 so they dont have to deal with Iran alone.
Lets just hope Russia and China get a few nukes into the region to stop Israel from copying the Nazis in WW2 coz the yanks are not gonna try and stop them.



What a vile twisted person you are.

Yeah, how dare Iran try and have a way to defend itself against terrorists...
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Reply #84 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 9:16pm
 
Yeah, how dare Iran try and have a way to defend itself against terrorists...

Pardon?
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Reply #85 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 10:15pm
 
Maybe Gillard should stop sucking up to faceless racist white men and show a moral back bone... Smiley Smiley
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Reply #86 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 5:12am
 
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:18pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:09pm:
lisa.greek wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 8:02pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:56pm:
bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:51pm:
Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm:
Do you know where Gaza is?

You will note that I have not said you are occupying internal Gaza officially.


We are not occupying Gaza at all.
We gave it to them.
Guess who had before we. Palestinians? Wrong. Egypt.
Egyptians think Palestinians are second class like Jordan does, like Lebanon does, like Tunisians does.

Palestinians are treated better by Israel than their Arab "friends".

Trust me there is just one people more disliked than Palestinians in their Arab League and it is Iranians.



My apologies here - I was born in the 50s so have only history to guide me.    My understanding is that the Jewish people were so despised that no one wanted them.   I also understand that an agreement was reached between Britain and the USA ( plus other countries) that an annexure of another country would be forced to house these apparently unwanted people .   Is this true?


I am in the 1980s born but no that's not correct.
There is different views on the birth of the state of Israel.
My grandparents are there early after they yes are not welcome in Czech Republic when they come from a Nazi camp.
But they are invited by Ben Guriin to come and live in peace in Israel new state.
The intent is for shared states both Arab and Jew but this becomes not possible.
The Arabs attack from day 0

I guess they had a pretty good propaganda system operating in Israel by then hey...
Those same grandparents who saw death camps in a concentration camp?  Cheesy Wink

Ben Guriin really had nothing to do with it, he may have invited some people but it was the Palestinians who accepted millions of Jewish refugees into Palestine.
The Jews then proceeded to repay their kindness by violently forcing them from their homes and killing thousands of innocent people.
Unfortunately it is not possible to violently and illegally force peoples from their homes and not have some of them defend themselves, although obviously its possible to hypocritically complain when they defend themselves.



I am only going to say to you 1 more time, there was a Nazi killing operation at Majdanek where my grandfather was after he is taken from Praha.

Show some respect.


That isnt an answer to the question. There was an israeli killing operation in gaza the other day. You show some respect.

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Reply #87 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 5:14am
 
Why the draft? So they are going to go into gaza and slaughter more ppl? Someone needs to nuke israel.

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Reply #88 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 6:21am
 
people arent seriously comparing nazi concentration camps to palestinian camps are they. Wink Wink

aushwitz....walking skeletons, fighting over a crust of bread.

gaza....big fat arabs , watch the tv footage, they all seem fat to me,  half of em with mobile phones and video cameras,
firing their stupid guns in the air (yes hitler left the jews have guns and rockets)

fair dinkum , you lefties are retarded.

for the 10 th time,  if you want to wail in front of the tv, dont wail for these show pony palestinians, wail for the poor kids in africa that eat a bowl of dirt a day.
oh but theyre not as "trendy' as those dumb arabs that lost a war and then think the victors should be nice to them

i'd say arm the jews with tasers instead of guns but spot and western would probably think this was over the top in terms of brutality Wink Wink

meanwhile spot says "someone should just nuke israel"

go and do some reflection on this subject and then come back and apologize.
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Reply #89 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 6:31am
 
meanwhile spot says "someone should just nuke israel"


Does anyone take Spot seriously besides Spot?
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