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Reply #105 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 12:33am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 9:36pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

Until now we've only heard Israel's side of the conflict, but a couple of reporters have managed to get into Gaza - a rare occurrence. It is only believed by Israel that the target was a Hamas member.

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Nine members of the one family died in this blast – all women and children, along with two neighbours who were walking past the house when the missile hit also died.

The Israeli Defence Force confirmed it had targeted the house of a Hamas man, believed to be Mohamed Dallu, who was not home at the time of the attack. His four children died – Sara, 7, Jamal, 6, Yusef, 4, and Ibrahim, 2.

http://images-2.domain.com.au/2012/11/19/3806104/dh_gaza7-20121119070333486118-6...

I bet the Israeli pilot who did this will never sleep well again.
It's a war crime - he only killed innocent women & children.

bobby,

Those people brought that war, that consequence, upon themselves.

Do NOT blame Israel for the death of any innocents.

Israel is fighting this war, to prevent just such cruel acts from being perpetrated upon Israelis, by moslems.

Israel tries to kill the militants.

But these are righteous killings, imo, if the moslem militants are want to hide among their own civilians.

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The words of moslems,
EXPLAINING WHY THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS IS PERMISSIBLE, WHEN MOSLEMS DO IT.....

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"....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.
....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.
However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation."

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/februaryweb-only/22.0.html

Attack on London 'inevitable'
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"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&on...

Don't be so naive bobby.

When wars are fought, many people die.

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Reply #106 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:22am

That's a great post Dr No. So you believe in ethnic segregation then abu. Very interesting.Dr No wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:06pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Your country is Czech Republic, you are a foreign entity in Palestine, you're just an imposition in someone else's country, and don't you ever forget it. Every rocket that lands in Zionist Occupied Palestine should be a reminder to you and your fellow squatters that you are just a temporary blight on that land, one which will eventually be ejected.

And your country is some sh1t hole in the Middle East.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26506 Australia	Re: Gillard supports Israel Reply #107 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:09am Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 6:24pm: Our country is called ISRAEL. You mean the 3rd reich? SOB
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26506 Australia	Re: Gillard supports Israel Reply #108 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:10am Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:28pm: I was myself personally in Cast Lead and I tell you 100% you are wrong with your accusations. You personally called down an airstrike on "2 large apartment buildings" just to get a sniper when you shouldnt have been there in the first place. SOB
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Reply #109 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:13am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:28pm:

I was myself personally in Cast Lead and I tell you 100% you are wrong with your accusations.

so your saying Israel didn't bulldoze a major chicken factory - supplying 10% of all gaza's eggs - with over 30 thousands live chickens inside? Or bomb and destroy the only flour mill? Or bomb and rupture water supply and raw sewage plants?

I cannot comment on the operation itself.
You are stating we slaughter civilians. We do not.

2 large apartment buildings

Also the house on the news they targeted without even checking if it was where the guy they were after was. Israel was just starting conflict was what they were doing.

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Reply #110 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:18am

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:28pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:20pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:46pm:

I cannot comment on the operation itself.
You are stating we slaughter civilians. We do not.

right, so since one of my accusations was that Israel "indiscriminately destroyed civilian infrastructure" - you can't really say that I am "100% wrong in my accusations" now can you?

Yes I can because that is 100% against IDF Terms of Engagement.
Do you even know that to engage in enemy fire, unless in extreme circumstance, we must radio approval request to Tel Aviv?

Also destruction of structures must be authorised and approved.
There must be a specific military reason.

So yes you are wrong.

Okay. So the office of registry WAS the target? And it was targeted to cause maximum distress for gazans.

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Reply #111 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:32am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 9:36pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

Until now we've only heard Israel's side of the conflict, but a couple of reporters have managed to get into Gaza - a rare occurrence. It is only believed by Israel that the target was a Hamas member.

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Nine members of the one family died in this blast – all women and children, along with two neighbours who were walking past the house when the missile hit also died.

The Israeli Defence Force confirmed it had targeted the house of a Hamas man, believed to be Mohamed Dallu, who was not home at the time of the attack. His four children died – Sara, 7, Jamal, 6, Yusef, 4, and Ibrahim, 2.

http://images-2.domain.com.au/2012/11/19/3806104/dh_gaza7-20121119070333486118-6...

I bet the Israeli pilot who did this will never sleep well again.
It's a war crime - he only killed innocent women & children.

Some news reports say that the house was a target because a Hamas kingpin lived there. It is also reported that he was killed in the explosion.

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Re: Gillard supports Israel
Reply #112 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:34am

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

salad in wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

... when the descendants of the survivors of Najd (called by the Zionists Sderot) fire rockets at the squatters in their lands, they are FULLY justified.

There's the problem. If that is the attitude the solution can't be found.

Except that when Hamas didn't exist, Israel still did not allow a solution.

I think prior to trying to deal with Hamas the Israelis had to deal with Yes Sir Arafat. He was no friend of Israel.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Gillard supports Israel Reply #113 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:17am polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:27pm: your delusional. Did Rudd offer a word... He expelled a Zionist diplomat, that's far more than any other sold out Zionist lackey has ever done.
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Re: Gillard supports Israel
Reply #114 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:24am

salad in wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

... when the descendants of the survivors of Najd (called by the Zionists Sderot) fire rockets at the squatters in their lands, they are FULLY justified.

There's the problem. If that is the attitude the solution can't be found.

The problem is in the fact the Palestinians are refugees in and around their own land. All other issues are symptoms of this fact. You can deny and belittle the issue as much as you like, but at the end of the day, that's the crux of the matter.

Denial of the real issues does not make them go away. Focusing on the last few actions of each side does not alter the fact of what is at the heart of the conflict.

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Reply #115 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:13am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 7:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:27pm:

your delusional. Did Rudd offer a word...

He expelled a Zionist diplomat, that's far more than any other sold out Zionist lackey has ever done.

A brave move - and probably helped earn him the knife in the back.

mutation wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:45pm:

Well if its a choice between that and Supporting the Muslims who have killed 270,000,000 in their quest for world domination its a pretty easy choice!Go Israel!

270 million is a bogus figure. Regardless of what Israel's supporters say - the IDF ploughs down anything in its path. They are indiscriminate in their targets. What excuse have the apologists got for this attrocity?

An older story, but typical. A fortunate observer left early, but found out later all her friends had died when Israel suddenly bombed the previously agreed "safe route" for humanitarian workers to escape. They had nowhere to go.

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An Israeli bomb destroyed a U.N. observer post on the border in southern Lebanon Tuesday, killing three observers and leaving another feared dead, officials said. U.N. chief Kofi Annan said Israel appeared to have struck the site deliberately.

The bomb made a direct hit on the building and shelter of the observer post in the town of Khiyam near the eastern end of the border with Israel, said Milos Struger, spokesman for the U.N. peacekeeping force in Lebanon known as UNIFIL.

Annan said two observers were killed with two more feared dead. Later, a U.N. official confirmed that a third body had been recovered. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the issue.

Denial from Israel

Israel’s U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman expressed his “deep regret” for the deaths and denied the post was intentionally targeted.

Rescue workers were trying to clear the rubble, but Israeli firing “continued even during the rescue operation,” Struger said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029827/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/israeli-st...

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Reply #116 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:57am

salad in wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 5:32am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 9:36pm:

mantra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 10:01am:

Until now we've only heard Israel's side of the conflict, but a couple of reporters have managed to get into Gaza - a rare occurrence. It is only believed by Israel that the target was a Hamas member.

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Nine members of the one family died in this blast – all women and children, along with two neighbours who were walking past the house when the missile hit also died.

The Israeli Defence Force confirmed it had targeted the house of a Hamas man, believed to be Mohamed Dallu, who was not home at the time of the attack. His four children died – Sara, 7, Jamal, 6, Yusef, 4, and Ibrahim, 2.

http://images-2.domain.com.au/2012/11/19/3806104/dh_gaza7-20121119070333486118-6...

I bet the Israeli pilot who did this will never sleep well again.
It's a war crime - he only killed innocent women & children.

Some news reports say that the house was a target because a Hamas kingpin lived there. It is also reported that he was killed in the explosion.

How the hell would Israel know who lived there?
That is saying that some of the Pallys must be traitors & told them.

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Reply #117 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 1:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

How the hell would Israel know who lived there?
That is saying that some of the Pallys must be traitors & told them.

Keep up Bobby. War is a nasty ugly thing.

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Palestinians execute eight collaborators

Two masked Palestinian gunmen entered an intelligence building in the West Bank town of Tulkarm today and killed eight men suspected of collaborating with Israel, security sources and witnesses said.

Sources said Palestinian intelligence officers guarding the building had left their posts when Israeli tanks moved towards the town because they believed the army was poised to enter. Their departure allowed the two gunmen to enter the building and shoot the men dead, the sources said.

Their bodies were dragged out to the road where hundreds of Palestinian onlookers gathered. The killing was the deadliest attack on suspected collaborators since the start of a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation 18 months ago.

Palestinian gunmen have killed several of their brethren who had allegedly helped Israeli security forces track and kill militants fighting in the uprising. Palestinians security sources said the eight men had been accused, but not convicted, of the charges against them.

The executions came as Israel escalated its military campaign against the Palestinians in the wake of two suicide bombings yesterday -- reoccupying five more West Bank towns, and detaining in all some 500 Palestinians.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-107511/Palestinians-execute-collaborator...

There are hundreds of cases of suspected collaborators in all wars being executed.

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Reply #118 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 2:04pm

So a Czech person can't live in Palestine Abu? So you don't believe in multiculturalism. So your ideology on ethnic mixing has a lot in common with the skinheads. So basically you are a racist little Muslim wannabe. We are all sitting here watching as you unfold. Grin

Big Dave wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 4:22am:

That's a great post Dr No. So you believe in ethnic segregation then abu. Very interesting.Dr No wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:06pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Your country is Czech Republic, you are a foreign entity in Palestine, you're just an imposition in someone else's country, and don't you ever forget it. Every rocket that lands in Zionist Occupied Palestine should be a reminder to you and your fellow squatters that you are just a temporary blight on that land, one which will eventually be ejected.

And your country is some sh1t hole in the Middle East.

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Reply #119 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 2:36pm

salad in wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

How the hell would Israel know who lived there?
That is saying that some of the Pallys must be traitors & told them.

Keep up Bobby. War is a nasty ugly thing.

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Palestinians execute eight collaborators

Two masked Palestinian gunmen entered an intelligence building in the West Bank town of Tulkarm today and killed eight men suspected of collaborating with Israel, security sources and witnesses said.

Sources said Palestinian intelligence officers guarding the building had left their posts when Israeli tanks moved towards the town because they believed the army was poised to enter. Their departure allowed the two gunmen to enter the building and shoot the men dead, the sources said.

Their bodies were dragged out to the road where hundreds of Palestinian onlookers gathered. The killing was the deadliest attack on suspected collaborators since the start of a Palestinian uprising against Israeli occupation 18 months ago.

Palestinian gunmen have killed several of their brethren who had allegedly helped Israeli security forces track and kill militants fighting in the uprising. Palestinians security sources said the eight men had been accused, but not convicted, of the charges against them.

The executions came as Israel escalated its military campaign against the Palestinians in the wake of two suicide bombings yesterday -- reoccupying five more West Bank towns, and detaining in all some 500 Palestinians.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-107511/Palestinians-execute-collaborator...

There are hundreds of cases of suspected collaborators in all wars being executed.

I didn't know that.

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