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Reply #30 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:55pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

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Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

Commitment to their wife to do what?

To break their back and/or their soul, slaving to provide for her whims day in, day out, until they keel over. 50 years slavery in exchange for occasional sex - it's sooooo mysogynistic to expect even that, innit?

If you feel like that, why marry at all?

Because not all women think it's so much of a chore. One could ask a women - why marry if you're not prepare to do even that to keep your man happy? It's all about give n take - feminism has taught women to forget about the 'give' part, and they wonder why men don't continue to play the same role they always did.

Unforeseen circumstances from interfering in a self-correcting, zero-sum system? Whoever woulda thunk it?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Free sex and feminist marriage Reply #31 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:33pm As the poet says, "she shags like a minx" before the wedding. Often it turns out to be misleading advertising, coin a phrase. This is the gist of the article in the OP.
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Reply #32 - Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

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thats the whole point ... not so much that she want to have sex, but she should do it to please her husband .... I do things I don't necessarily feel like to please my wife ...

The whole point was...who wants to have sex with someone who is not completely into it?

You ask any guy if he'll have sex with his wife even if she's not really into it and 90% of them will say yes ... the other 10% are lying or want a divorce.

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now that's the feminist talking ... no guy makes a commitment to monogamy , most guys don't think like that ... they make a commitment to their wife

Please. Commitment to their wife to do what? Remain faithful, if it's a monogamous relationship. What has that to do with feminism?

commitment to their wife to provide for her, to be her partner through life, to be there when she needs him, and whatever else she wants ... but it has to work both ways .. she cannot say she wants to be there for him, only to refuse him everytime he needs her .... and femism is the part that links those things to monogomy (either that or to many Mills and Boon novels) ... they estimate that a partner cheats in about 80% of marriages .... and yet no one goes into a marriage expecting to cheat .. why is that do you think?

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #33 - Nov 20^th, 2012 at 10:48am

F Roger Devlin lays out the fundamentals. Nothing will make sense until these are understood.

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Fourth, women are, next to children, the main benefi ciaries of marriage.
Most men work their lives away at jobs they do not much care for in order to
support wife and family. For women, marriage coincides with economic rationality;
for a man, going to a prostitute is a better deal. Accordingly, chastity
before marriage and fi delity within it are the very least a woman owes her
husband. Indeed, on the traditional view, she owes him a great deal more.
She is to make a home for him, return gratitude and loyalty for his support of
her, and accept his position as head of the family.
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However that may be, the modern woman clearly wants the benefi ts of
a traditional marriage, but is unwilling to pay the costs; she wants a man
to marry her without her having to marry the man. It is the eternal dream
of irresponsible freedom: In the feminist formulation, freedom for women,
responsibility for men.

http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96250 Gender:	Re: Free sex and feminist marriage Reply #34 - Nov 30^th, 2012 at 4:13pm Soren wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 6:02pm: I like a variety of positions. Spice of life, innit. You most certainly do, old chap. Different strokes, eh? Marvellous stuff.
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It_is_the_Darkness Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4000 in a ReTardis Gender:	Re: Free sex and feminist marriage Reply #35 - Dec 12^th, 2012 at 12:36pm Well there ain't much sex happening in Australia. The women are all career orientated and run the country while the men just play with themselves and their footballs. Thank god for Boat People.
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Reply #36 - Apr 20^th, 2013 at 2:58am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

The alternative is turn wives down when they want sex. Grin

They say sex-starved wives is society's best kept secret.

Women with horny men may secretly be flattered by their men's enthusiasm and the men are proud of their virility.

For sex-starved wives, it's a totally different story. The wife thinks she isn't attractive and the man is embarrassed about his inability to perform. Neither of them want to talk about it. It's why we have so many ads for weight-loss and for solving erection problems.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

If you feel like that, why marry at all?

I see a spike in the number of de facto relationships. Roll Eyes

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

You ask any guy if he'll have sex with his wife even if she's not really into it and 90% of them will say yes ... the other 10% are lying or want a divorce.

............. or maybe some of these men just have a low sex drive?

John Smith wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:57pm:

they estimate that a partner cheats in about 80% of marriages .... and yet no one goes into a marriage expecting to cheat .. why is that do you think?

The hormones give them an overly optimistic view of the relationship. When they fade, there has to be some other way of keeping the relationship going.

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Mnemonic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1530 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Free sex and feminist marriage Reply #37 - Apr 20^th, 2013 at 2:58am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:23pm: It's not the sex that is important, it's that their man is their property and no one else's. That's funny. I've never thought of a man being a woman's property. Traditionally it was the other way round and in our modern society, nobody owns anyone.
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Reply #38 - Apr 20^th, 2013 at 10:09am

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 2:58am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 8:23pm:

It's not the sex that is important, it's that their man is their property and no one else's.

That's funny. I've never thought of a man being a woman's property. Traditionally it was the other way round and in our modern society, nobody owns anyone.

Not property in the sense of a commodity to be bought and sold. But like a possession.

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Reply #39 - Apr 20^th, 2013 at 10:14am

Property in the same sense that your children are your property. You're responsible for ensuring their wellbeing. Only now, our reponsibilities remain but the means by which we mange our responsibility have been taken. It's like having to ensure your kids do well at school, yet you can't make them do their work, or even turn upto school.

Never mind - water finds it's own level eventually and the feminist experiment will be rued, then forgotten.

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Reply #40 - Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12am

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 2:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

The alternative is turn wives down when they want sex. Grin

They say sex-starved wives is society's best kept secret.

Women with horny men may secretly be flattered by their men's enthusiasm and the men are proud of their virility.

For sex-starved wives, it's a totally different story.
The wife thinks she isn't attractive and the man is embarrassed about his inability to perform.
Neither of them want to talk about it.
It's why we have so many ads for weight-loss and for solving erection problems.

Marriage must get boring after a long time.
A man would always see other women as more interesting.
Maybe women feel the same?
It must be a real chore to keep a sex life happening in a marriage.
Maybe that's why many couples just end up being friends & watching TV together?

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Reply #41 - Apr 28^th, 2013 at 11:03am

After many years of unhappy marriage, my advice to any young bloke is

Get a cat for company and pay a professional for sex.

Its cheaper and cats are much better company than a whinging whining wife that is never ever happy.

Getting married is a con, just like being conned into buying a V8 ute, it seems like a good idea at the time but ends in disaster.

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Reply #42 - May 26^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

Soren wrote on Nov 19^th, 2012 at 8:33pm:

As the poet says, "she shags like a minx" before the wedding. Often it turns out to be misleading advertising, coin a phrase.

This is the gist of the article in the OP.

It's a well known fact that AFTER marriage .. we wives find ourselves busy bearing and rearing our husband's babies.

The often untold tragedy is that our husbands tend to be the biggest and most difficult of all our babies ... sigh.

Right now, it's all about getting everything done properly and in a timely manner .. so as to get to bed at a decent hour in the hope of gaining some quality sleep.

As regards sex?? If we're lucky .. we might dream about it.

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Reply #43 - May 26^th, 2013 at 8:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2013 at 9:12am:

Mnemonic wrote on Apr 20^th, 2013 at 2:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2012 at 5:30pm:

The alternative is turn wives down when they want sex. Grin

They say sex-starved wives is society's best kept secret.

Women with horny men may secretly be flattered by their men's enthusiasm and the men are proud of their virility.

For sex-starved wives, it's a totally different story.
The wife thinks she isn't attractive and the man is embarrassed about his inability to perform.
Neither of them want to talk about it.
It's why we have so many ads for weight-loss and for solving erection problems.

Marriage must get boring after a long time.
A man would always see other women as more interesting.
Maybe women feel the same?
It must be a real chore to keep a sex life happening in a marriage.

Maybe that's why many couples just end up being friends & watching TV together?

IMO, friendship is an important foundation for a healthy relationship/marriage.

Watching television together is just one area in which a couple can share time and relax together ( it's also the only time I get my relaxing foot massage lol ).

Food for thought eh Bobby

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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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