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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Palestinian people fed up with militants Reply #30 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:29am freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm: Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948. Are you joking? If they haven't got guns, how are they supposed to defend themselves?
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Avram Horowitz Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3153 Australia Gender:	Re: Palestinian people fed up with militants Reply #31 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:34am mantra wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:29am: freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm: Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948. Are you joking? If they haven't got guns, how are they supposed to defend themselves? They are the aggressors not us.
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Dr No Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 380	Re: Palestinian people fed up with militants Reply #32 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:59am Mantra, rule number one. Never start something you aren't going to win. Hamas is NEVER going to win. Germany, WW1. Germany, WW2. Must be slow learners. Japan, WW2. Saddam Hussein, Kuwait.
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Reply #33 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:36pm

Dr No wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:59am:

Mantra, rule number one. Never start something you aren't going to win.

Hamas is NEVER going to win.

Germany, WW1.

Germany, WW2. Must be slow learners.

Japan, WW2.

Saddam Hussein, Kuwait.

You are sorely mistaken Dr No. Time is on the Palestinians side. Israel relies on a number of extremely volatile and unreliable factors, not only for her continued oppression of Palestinians, but for her very survival. They are:

1. Continued unconditional US support. The US supports Israel primarily for strategic reasons. This strategic justification is rapidly wearing thin - as geostrategic dynamics in the region rapidly shift even as we speak. The US can only justify billions of dollars of essential aid year after year for so long. Also Israel's increasingly erratic behaviour will soon be too much for even the US to handle.

2. Continued subservience of the major arab states. The main arab players in the region are US puppets - we all know that. As such, they dutifully toe the US line in regards to Israel. Recent events related to the so called "arab spring" are obviously changing this. Hamas now have their political brethren with a large stake in Egypt - and also occupies the office of PM. Syria will almost certainly soon fall to the islamists. Those are the two most important rivals to Israel. Beyond this, even if there is no popular revolution in Saudi Arabia, it is hard to imagine their pro-zionist stance as remaining tenable for long. Geopolitical forces in the region are already changing - the influence of the US is waning, and Russia and China are quickly filling the void. There is no way they will be as sympathetic to the Israelis as the Americans.

3. Jewish majority in Israel. Obviously this is essential for the very survival of Israel - as a "jewish state". However demographics are against them. They can't compete in birth rates to their arab counterparts, so they rely heavilly on a continual flow of jewish immigrants. This obviously can only last for so long. Even worse for Israel is their self-destructive insistence of maintaining hold of the west bank and calling it part of Israel. By incorporating this arab population, their demographic position becomes even more tenuous. With no 2 state solution in sight, what is Israel to do with this population of non-citizens? Grant them citizenship, and Israel at a stroke almost loses its jewish majority. Keep trampling on their rights and continue to deny them citizenship while claiming ownership of the land they occupy, is obviously self-defeating in the long run.

Long story short, the Palestinians are here to stay, and they can only grow stronger over time. Time is on their side - as their arab brothers and the powers that are rapidly replacing US influence will understand the need for a viable solution, and will abandon the hopeless zionist project. Israel on the other hand is unsustainable as it is - even with an obsene amount of US assistance. When this assistance dries up - as it inevitably will - then Israel is doomed.

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Reply #34 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 8:49pm:

My mistake. The Palestinians are all as deluded as you and think the glorious victory over Israel is just around the corner, so they are happy to have militants firing antiquated weapons from their rooftop against a vastly superior army, despite the all too obvious consequences. The Jews who run the Australian were falsely misrepresenting the Palestinians as rational people capable of a bit of forethought.

In case you hadn't noticed, Hamas rockets are now reaching to occupied Yafa & al-Quds, unthinkable to the Zionists when they instigated this current round of the conflict a few weeks ago.

Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948.

What is your point?

If someone threatened you with a gun, and all you had to defend yourself with was a knife, would you attempt to stab them on principle?

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Reply #35 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm:

Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948.

What is your point?

If someone threatened you with a gun, and all you had to defend yourself with was a knife, would you attempt to stab them on principle?

ISLAMIC doctrine says that moslems who do not desire to die for Allah, must be SATANISTS.

Is that correct Abu ?

Is any moslem who does not want to die for Allah, a filthy SATANIST ?

i.e.
The Pally's complain...

"Aaaaawww! Aaaaawww! The nasty Zionists are killing us! But we really do want to die for Allah too!"

Which is it Abu ?

Are moslems happy to die as martyrs for Allah's perfect religion ?

Or are the moslems [the Pally's] lying to the worlds media, when they complain [.....when Israelis kill moslems ...who are trying to kill Israelis] ?

Cake and eat it too ?

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Muslim child preacher: "Oh Zionists, we love death for the sake of Allah, just as much as you love life for the sake of Satan"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/11/muslim-child-preacher-oh-zionists-we-love-deat...

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We love death as you love life, Osama Bin Laden

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Use children as troops, says cleric
By Luke McIlveen and staff writers
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).
"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/australia-muslim-cleric-calls-jews-pigs-and-ur...

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Re: Palestinian people fed up with militants
Reply #36 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:20pm

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 8:49pm:

My mistake. The Palestinians are all as deluded as you and think the glorious victory over Israel is just around the corner, so they are happy to have militants firing antiquated weapons from their rooftop against a vastly superior army, despite the all too obvious consequences. The Jews who run the Australian were falsely misrepresenting the Palestinians as rational people capable of a bit of forethought.

In case you hadn't noticed, Hamas rockets are now reaching to occupied Yafa & al-Quds, unthinkable to the Zionists when they instigated this current round of the conflict a few weeks ago.

Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948.

What is your point?

If someone threatened you with a gun, and all you had to defend yourself with was a knife, would you attempt to stab them on principle?

If they destroyed the life of every Australian, killed thousands of innocent people and continually tortured and oppressed me, my family and society for over half a century then yes I probably would; and I am pretty sure you would as well.
What you forget is that the person with the knife in this case is already dead, it makes no difference if they get shot.

The follow up question would be: If you had a gun and were watching some guy about to shoot a defenseless person, would you shoot that gunman to stop him from murdering or do you let it happen? That is the obligation we the international community have to stop Israel.

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Re: Palestinian people fed up with militants
Reply #37 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 12:18am:

Gaza has a border with Egypt, the Rafah border crossing lies on the international border between Egypt and the Gaza strip that was recognised by the 1979 Egypt-Israel peace treaty.

The Egyptian blockade of gaza must be halal if muslims only whinge about the Israelis blockading Gaza

The Rafah blockade was lifted in 2011 - and as far as I know has been open ever since.

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Abu are you saying it is ok for Hamas to fire rockets from civilian buildings yet it is not ok for Israel to respond because Hamas are using civilian buildings with human shields?

The rockets are not ideal, but what else can the Palestinians do? 'Israel has a right to defend itself' is the mantra we hear ad-nauseum in western media, but no one seems to consider that the Palestinians also have a right to defend themselves against Israeli attacks. If the west is so concerned about their indiscriminate attacks, then I suggest the west provide the Palestinians with f16 fighter jets with precision guided weaponry. I'm sure the Palestinians would be more than happy to strike at the Israeli terrorists in an infinitely more targeted and efficient manner.

So the Egyptians were blockading Gaza yet muslims were only whingeing about the filthy Yahud blockading Gaza?
If the blockade of Gaza has been lifted by the Egyptians then there cannot be a blockade of Gaza as muslims claim as Gaza has an open border with Egypt.

The Palestinians could stop firing these missiles which is considered a war crime did that thought ever cross your mind?

Do you think America would tolerate Mexico firing missiles into the USA,is there any other country you could name that would be expected to tolerate missiles being fired into their country from outsiders?

Muslims are totally clueless when it comes to modern warfare, if the Palestinians had F16's they would get shot down by the Israeli missile defences about 1 millisecond after they left Gazan airspace.

The Iron dome was developed from the Patriot missiles that have already shot down a British plane returning to base.

The American F16-F22 pilots know there is no defence against these missile systems which have even shot down Iranian airliners.

Typical handout mentality from muslims there Gandalf in asking for more handouts,.

The Saudis recently bought billions worth of outdated F16's.

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Reply #38 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:36pm:

[quote author=7D4B667756390 link=1353406295/32#32 date=1353535151] Time is on the Palestinians side. Israel relies on a number of extremely volatile and unreliable factors, not only for her continued oppression of Palestinians, but for her very survival. They are:

1. Continued unconditional US support. The US supports Israel primarily for strategic reasons. This strategic justification is rapidly wearing thin - as geostrategic dynamics in the region rapidly shift even as we speak. The US can only justify billions of dollars of essential aid year after year for so long. Also Israel's increasingly erratic behaviour will soon be too much for even the US to handle.
I have lived and worked in the USA they will always support Israel because of the large amount of Jews in the USA.
Pakistan gets more aid from the USA they are more likely to lose theirs before Israel does,Morsi better toe the line or they will lose their billions in aid.
Dream on Gandalf

2. Continued subservience of the major arab states. The main arab players in the region are US puppets - we all know that. As such, they dutifully toe the US line in regards to Israel. Recent events related to the so called "arab spring" are obviously changing this. Hamas now have their political brethren with a large stake in Egypt - and also occupies the office of PM. Syria will almost certainly soon fall to the islamists. Those are the two most important rivals to Israel. Beyond this, even if there is no popular revolution in Saudi Arabia, it is hard to imagine their pro-zionist stance as remaining tenable for long. Geopolitical forces in the region are already changing - the influence of the US is waning, and Russia and China are quickly filling the void. There is no way they will be as sympathetic to the Israelis as the Americans.
US puppets...lol.....Yes the USA will change any government they dont like, tinfoil hats are in aisle 9.

3. Jewish majority in Israel. Obviously this is essential for the very survival of Israel - as a "jewish state". However demographics are against them. They can't compete in birth rates to their arab counterparts, so they rely heavilly on a continual flow of jewish immigrants. This obviously can only last for so long. Even worse for Israel is their self-destructive insistence of maintaining hold of the west bank and calling it part of Israel. By incorporating this arab population, their demographic position becomes even more tenuous. With no 2 state solution in sight, what is Israel to do with this population of non-citizens? Grant them citizenship, and Israel at a stroke almost loses its jewish majority. Keep trampling on their rights and continue to deny them citizenship while claiming ownership of the land they occupy, is obviously self-defeating in the long run.
The Palestinians are the ones who dont want 2 states, we have Abu decribing the yahud as squatters telling them to GTFO.
Israel allows Arab Israelis to vote,why should they have to allow non israelis a vote when those people dont live in Israel?.

Long story short, the Palestinians are here to stay, and they can only grow stronger over time. Time is on their side - as their arab brothers and the powers that are rapidly replacing US influence will understand the need for a viable solution, and will abandon the hopeless zionist project. Israel on the other hand is unsustainable as it is - even with an obsene amount of US assistance. When this assistance dries up - as it inevitably will - then Israel is doomed.
You might want to check where 6 million Yahud rank on the global GDP.
The patent for USB flash drives is help by Israelis,if you have a USB flash drive a jew has collected royalties from your purchase, the jews are leaders in many areas.
Australia gives the palestinians over $1 million dollars per week in aid,Palestine is a basket case that relies on foreign aid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel

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Reply #39 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Typical handout mentality from muslims there Gandalf in asking for more handouts

handout mentality you say? Thats really funny you know, when considering that Israel is the largest receiver of US aid. The US contributes about 20% of its military budget, plus billions more in other aid. Its no exaggeration to say that the state of Israel could not possibly survive in its current form without these handouts.

handout mentality.... Cheesy

God bless you Baron

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #40 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Typical handout mentality from muslims there Gandalf in asking for more handouts

handout mentality you say? Thats really funny you know, when considering that Israel is the largest receiver of US aid. The US contributes about 20% of its military budget, plus billions more in other aid. Its no exaggeration to say that the state of Israel could not possibly survive in its current form without these handouts.

handout mentality.... Cheesy

God bless you Baron

You are the one who asked for the west to give F16 and precision weapons to Palestine,you forgot they would be no use when Israel can shoot down planes from unmanned missile batteries that identify aicraft electronically.

Pakistan gets more aid from the USA than Israel,Egypt gets 2 billion per year, muslims get more aid from the USA than the jews.

Science and technology are where Israel is leaving the muslim world behind-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Israel

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Reply #41 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:47pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:31pm:

You are the one who asked for the west to give F16 and precision weapons to Palestine,you forgot they would be no use when Israel can shoot down planes from unmanned missile batteries that identify aicraft electronically.

right - which is why the aid should include training of pilots, spare parts, munitions etc. They don't have to be able to bomb Israeli cities, but if they can defend themselves by shooting down Israeli bombers and missiles - thats only fair. They do it for Israel, why not the Pals? Grin

By the way, since you no doubt haven't picked it up already, I'm being facetious. I'm attempting to make a point about the west's hypocricy when they cheer Israel for defending themselves against rockets, while condemning Palestinians for doing the same.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Pakistan gets more aid from the USA than Israel

No Baron, once again you are wrong. Please do your research.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #42 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:47pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:31pm:

You are the one who asked for the west to give F16 and precision weapons to Palestine,you forgot they would be no use when Israel can shoot down planes from unmanned missile batteries that identify aicraft electronically.

right - which is why the aid should include training of pilots, spare parts, munitions etc. They don't have to be able to bomb Israeli cities, but if they can defend themselves by shooting down Israeli bombers and missiles - thats only fair. They do it for Israel, why not the Pals? Grin

By the way, since you no doubt haven't picked it up already, I'm being facetious. I'm attempting to make a point about the west's hypocricy when they cheer Israel for defending themselves against rockets, while condemning Palestinians for doing the same.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Pakistan gets more aid from the USA than Israel

No Baron, once again you are wrong. Please do your research.

When it comes to blasphemy in Islam with films/books/cartoons muslims say if you dont provoke them they will not riot yet when it comes to provoking Israel by firing rockets they are butthurt hypocrites in complaining when Israel does repond after being provoked.
If the Palestinians stop firing rockets into Israel they might get more sympathy, while they are firing rockets they are seen as the instigators of these conflicts.

A lot of optical technology in these precision weapons is Israeli technology, the USA has requested that Israel not sell this technology to many countries so their aid can be viewed as compensation for restraint of trade.

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Afghanistan and Pakistan.USAID's two largest assistance programs....
http://transition.usaid.gov/locations/afghanistanpakistan

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Reply #43 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:17pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 8:49pm:

My mistake. The Palestinians are all as deluded as you and think the glorious victory over Israel is just around the corner, so they are happy to have militants firing antiquated weapons from their rooftop against a vastly superior army, despite the all too obvious consequences. The Jews who run the Australian were falsely misrepresenting the Palestinians as rational people capable of a bit of forethought.

In case you hadn't noticed, Hamas rockets are now reaching to occupied Yafa & al-Quds, unthinkable to the Zionists when they instigated this current round of the conflict a few weeks ago.

Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948.

What is your point?

If someone threatened you with a gun, and all you had to defend yourself with was a knife, would you attempt to stab them on principle?

If they destroyed the life of every Australian, killed thousands of innocent people and continually tortured and oppressed me, my family and society for over half a century then yes I probably would; and I am pretty sure you would as well.
What you forget is that the person with the knife in this case is already dead, it makes no difference if they get shot.

The follow up question would be: If you had a gun and were watching some guy about to shoot a defenseless person, would you shoot that gunman to stop him from murdering or do you let it happen? That is the obligation we the international community have to stop Israel.

Just because the Palestinians are always the losers does not make them innocent or victims.

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Reply #44 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:19pm

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:17pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:20pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 10:05pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 21^st, 2012 at 8:49pm:

My mistake. The Palestinians are all as deluded as you and think the glorious victory over Israel is just around the corner, so they are happy to have militants firing antiquated weapons from their rooftop against a vastly superior army, despite the all too obvious consequences. The Jews who run the Australian were falsely misrepresenting the Palestinians as rational people capable of a bit of forethought.

In case you hadn't noticed, Hamas rockets are now reaching to occupied Yafa & al-Quds, unthinkable to the Zionists when they instigated this current round of the conflict a few weeks ago.

Palestine, bringing knives to gunfights since 1948.

What is your point?

If someone threatened you with a gun, and all you had to defend yourself with was a knife, would you attempt to stab them on principle?

If they destroyed the life of every Australian, killed thousands of innocent people and continually tortured and oppressed me, my family and society for over half a century then yes I probably would; and I am pretty sure you would as well.
What you forget is that the person with the knife in this case is already dead, it makes no difference if they get shot.

The follow up question would be: If you had a gun and were watching some guy about to shoot a defenseless person, would you shoot that gunman to stop him from murdering or do you let it happen? That is the obligation we the international community have to stop Israel.

Just because the Palestinians are always the losers does not make them innocent or victims.

Haha you got nothing.
I got a feeling they would be if they were Jewish. Who not What, remember?

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