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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #30 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

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Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #31 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

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Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #32 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Quote:

Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #33 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Have a look at this picture.
It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza.
It is from CNN here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=...

Picture number 97.
Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians
must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians.
I don't know how many people it killed.
Aren't there any rules in war?
Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians?
I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous.

this is organised murder

nothing less

as the world bares witness

be at peace

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #34 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

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Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

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Reply #35 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Quote:

Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

Doesn't matter who I "support". The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.

Now Isreal is the stronger, so who's gunna stop 'em - You?

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #36 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:47pm

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Quote:

Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

Doesn't matter who I "support". The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.

Should they be held accountable to international law?

Why do you even post on here?

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Reply #37 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:51pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:46pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:44pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:38pm:

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:31pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:25pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:14pm:

Quote:

Its a huge strawman in claiming Gaza is occupied yet what else are we to expect from dopey dim witted retards who sit around all day dribbling their hatred and bigotry on the internet because they dont have a life.

Not at all, Israel controls Gaza in almost every way.
The lives of every single Palestinian has been perpetually destroyed by Israel for over half a century.

Hamas officials say Gaza is not occupied.

Israel is not in Gaza officially but they are still occupying Palestinian land around it.
Anything that would be done with Israel inside Gaza is done just as easily outside it, they control all aspects of life.

If I take you from your home and put you in the dog house out back, does that make your home mine? Clearly not.

Yes, just so long as you're strong enough to hold it.

Imagine how big you would feel if you could actually attack my argument and not me.

I'm not attacking you. Whether by force of arms or force of law (which is itself just implied violence) in the end, it all boils down to who's got the guns. All "ownership" is is who's got the power to stop others from claiming it.

So you support the Nazis who out gunned the jews?

Doesn't matter who I "support". The bare fact of the matter is that they did what they did becasue they had the power to...until they themselves were outgunned.

Should they be held accountable to international law?

Why do you even post on here?

What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will? Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we?

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Reply #39 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:54pm:

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What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will? Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we?

It has authority because Israel says it should be used against Hamas.

And Israel gives it authority...why? Because they back it with muscle.

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #40 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:58pm

... wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:55pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:54pm:

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What authority does "international law" have when it doesn't have the muscle to impose it's will? Maybe if the US got on board it'd have some teeth, but we both know that's not going to happen, don't we?

It has authority because Israel says it should be used against Hamas.

And Israel gives it authority...why? Because they back it with muscle.

What point are you trying to make exactly? Please explain why you post on this forum...

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #41 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:13pm:

Baron, Quote:

Please read this Bobby as it will tell you why there is no such thing as a war crime for those who have not ratified this treaty-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court

If that's true that how come there was a Nuremberg war crimes trial for the Nazis?
Did Hitler sign any war crimes treaty?

Check the dates on the link i provided bobby and you will get your answer.

Baron,
I did read it.
It says this.

Quote:

After World War I and even more after the heinous crimes committed during World War II, it became a priority to prosecute individuals responsible for crimes so serious that needed to be called "against humanity". In order to re-affirm basic principles of democratic civilisation, the alleged criminals were not executed in public squares or sent to torture camps, but instead treated as criminals: with a regular trial, the right to defense and the presumption of innocence. The Nuremberg trials marked a crucial moment in legal history, and after that, some treaties that led to the drafting of the Rome Statute were signed.

UN General Assembly Resolution n. 260 9 December 1948, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, was the first step towards the establishment of an international permanent criminal tribunal with jurisdiction on crimes yet to be defined in international treaties.

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Reply #42 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:05pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Have a look at this picture.
It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza.
It is from CNN here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=...

Picture number 97.
Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians
must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians.
I don't know how many people it killed.
Aren't there any rules in war?
Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians?
I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous.

this is organised murder

nothing less

as the world bares witness

be at peace

namaste

Hi Light,
I can't be at peace seeing this in my living room every night.
I see the USA & even JuLiar Gillard supporting war crimes.
The fact that Hamas has commited war crimes does not give Israel the right to do the same.

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Reply #43 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:05pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 7:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:37pm:

Have a look at this picture.
It shows the result of an Israeli bomb that left a huge crater in Gaza.
It is from CNN here:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/21/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=...

Picture number 97.
Maybe this was a bunker buster bomb & to drop this an an area full of civilians
must surely be a war crime as it would have endangered the lives of so many civilians.
I don't know how many people it killed.
Aren't there any rules in war?
Is it illegal to drop such weapons on areas full of civilians?
I know they say that all is fair in love & war but this seems to be ridiculous.

this is organised murder

nothing less

as the world bares witness

be at peace

namaste

Hi Light,
I can't be at peace seeing this in my living room every night.
I see the USA & even JuLiar Gillard supporting war crimes.
The fact that Hamas has commited war crimes does not give Israel the right to do the same.

the mossad have been caught in these charades before

false flag attacks... 9/11 anyone?

hitler burt his own reichstag as many 'leaders' did

as well in your past...

darkness is now visible

and so it is

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Re: Is this an Israeli war crime?
Reply #44 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 8:55pm

Hi Light,
both sides have been involved in the indiscriminate bombing of women & children -
that is a fact that photos from CNN have proven.

Now - where is the justice?
Why are our leaders not condemning it?
Surely a normal rational person would see what I see?
The vote on this thread is already overwhelming that a war crime was committed -
from just one photo.

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