freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 8:39am:


And you should indeed be skeptical - *IF* indeed I did say that.

Pity for you though that all through this and other discussions I've consistently maintained that I believe apostasy itself is not punishable in islam.

Those people I described earlier who were executed by the prophet were not even apostates - since you have to be a muslim to start with to apostasise. They pretended to be muslims to infilitrate the muslim camp in order to help islam's enemies who were trying to conquer them. They were enemy spies, and were executed as such.

So to be as clear as I can - and desperately trying not to "cloud" the issue - let me put it this way: renouncing islam is *NOT* punishable by death - spying for islam's enemies who are at war with islam is. Is that clear?

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:


well that makes no sense.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:


I guess it would if I said "I don't know whether shariah law is part of shariah law". Not sure where you got that idea though.

Also, I wouldn't call one of the most oft cited verses in the quran, and one of the core principles of islamic law (no compulsion) as a mere "detail". I also provided you with an article that cites plenty of hadith that a) states uncategorically that apostasy is not punishable by death and b) argues that other hadith that are claimed to prescribe death for apostasy are in fact only talking about treason.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:


Well, as you know, Gandalf said loud and clearly that apostasy itself is not treason, and treason is punishable by death in most societies.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:


no.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:


both.

freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2013 at 9:20am:


err.. you asked me a question and I tried to answer it.

hmmm I see you've given up even pretending to make sense FD.

Is that first quote of mine meant to be somehow relevant to your question? If so, you'll have to explain it to me.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 31^st, 2013 at 5:59pm:


Do the christians/jews/hindu/voodoo religions call their critics bigots-racists-phobic or is that something only muslims do when confronted with the truth about Islam?

Where did a say i hate muslims?
I think muslims are delusional from Islamic brainwashing it has nothing to do with hate.
I stick up for the ahmadi muslims who are persecuted by mainstream Islam.

Evil!

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Actually the original question was far simpler than that. Are you saying that your suggestion is merely one of many that 'could work', or is there something that specifically guided you to it?

Call them sick sunni shiites if you like but at every turn they disgust me!

Ayatollah Khomeini as everyone probably knows, was the leader of Iran. Kohmeini was also a very respected poet and scholar on the Koran and on Sharia law, and wrote many books and interpretations on the teachings of Islam. In Iran Khomeini was basically looked on as a form of prophet with deep spiritual knowledge and wisdom.

There are over 200 books by Khomeini translated into English and most of them available on the web.  In Khomeini’s writings he openly approves, according to Sharia, for Muslims to have sex with animals, to force themselves on and rape women and to sexually assault even babies.


Ayatollah Khomeini’s rape of a small 4-year old child

An excerpt from ‘Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah’ by the late Sheikh Abu Mus’abaz-Zarqaawi (discussed here)


“The author of the book ‘For Allah, Then For History’ [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib.

He says: ‘Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence.

Sayyid Sahib then requested that we spend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam’s hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions.

When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming [through the night].’”

Here is another quote from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.


“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed.

A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
– Ayatollah Khomeini, Tahrir al-Vasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom, Iran, 1990.


“Establishing the Islamic state world-wide belong to the great goals of the revolution.” — Kohmeini, Resalat, 25 March 1988.

“A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”  – From Khomeini’s book, Tahrir al-Vasyleh, fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

“A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. …This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.” – ”Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrir al-Vasyleh,” Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom, Iran, 1990.

Other forms of sexual abuse inflicted on children by Muslim male family members include fondling of genitals, coercing a child to fondle the abuser’s genitals, masturbation with the child as either participant or observer, oral sex, anal or vaginal penetration by penis, finger or any other object.

Another technique used by Muslim men is called “thighing” (Mufakhathat or Mufakhazat Alzigaa). The child’s legs are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the thighs of the little boy or girl. This practice was approved of by Ayatollah Khomeini who in his Little Green Book (full book in PDF) asserted “It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

Muslims will often argue that kafirs have invented the Mufakhathat claim because they “do not understand Islam”. And being ‘unclean’ they have no ability to grasp the meaning of a ‘great’ book like the Koran. They also argue that it is only a Shia practice. Well, let the Bahrain women’s rights activist Ghada Jamshir, in the last video below, give witness that it happens amongst Arab men everywhere and not only the Shia’s. Islam does not give Muslim men any any moral format, any humanized upbringing.

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/when-imam-ayatollah-khomeini-raped-a-4-year-old-girl-%D8%AE%D9%85%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A-%D9%87%D8%AA%D9%83-%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B3-%D9%83%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%83/