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Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:07am
 
They only had to look at the Finnish PUBLIC education system to know how to fix the system but they keep wanting to ignore it whilst poring good money after bad into private school scam operations Sad

How many times do the need to be told !!

Ditch the private school scam operators. Ditch the school uniform costumes. Train the best school teachers and pay them well. 2nd best is not good enough !!

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Aussie schools flatline in global education tests

Australian school children are well behind a host of other countries when it comes to reading, mathematics and science, according to a new report.

The Progress in International Reading Literacy Study has revealed that a quarter of Australia's year 4 students failed to meet the minimum standard in reading for their age.

Australia ranked 27th out of 48 countries in reading, with its mean score similar to that recorded by New Zealand, Poland and Lithuania.

Another analysis, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS), revealed results have not improved for Australian students since 1995.

Education Minister Peter Garrett admits the results are a "wake-up call" and are further evidence that national changes to the school system are urgently needed.

"It's one of the reasons why we want the states to join us in a national plan for performance improvement," he told ABC News Breakfast.

"We've known that our performance isn't as good as it could be, but these results tell us very clearly and very loudly that we need to do a lot better, and we need to do it urgently."

Federal Opposition education spokesman Christopher Pyne says there are structural issues in schools that need to be fixed.

He says spending more money is not the answer.

"And while we continue to fiddle around the edges with the latest education fads, we will continue to let our primary school children down," he said.

"The Government's so-called education revolution has been exposed as an abject failure."

The Gonski plan to overhaul school education funding will be thrashed out at the next Council of Australian Government's (COAG) meeting between federal, state and territory leaders early next year.

The Federal Government has committed to achieving a top world ranking in education by 2025.

A different international test, the Program for International School Assessment (PISA), is taken in 70 countries around the world every three years.

Australian students have been ranked relatively highly in past surveys.

Over three months until September, thousands of 15-year-old students took international exams in reading, mathematics and science.

The results from this year's PISA testing will be released next year.

Benchmark for education

But a global science education expert has warned international tests are counter-productive and will not result in a scientifically literate population.

Oslo University professor Svein Sjoberg says global education comparisons are too difficult to be meaningful.

"Australia has now committed itself more or less to use this international test as a kind of benchmark for the quality of education in Australia, together with national testing," he told PM.

"I think that is a trap. The PISA test does not address the curricular test or the syllabus that is set in each country.

"It is a test that is made by OECD (Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development) experts and is not related to what teachers are supposed to teach and students are supposed to learn in each country."

Professor Sjoberg says he is one of only a few who have independently analysed the PISA results.

He said countries with a high science ranking were also usually lower on the measure of interest in science.

He added it might be because students were being taught for a result rather than developing a passion.

"It seems like they are able to answer these sort of quiz-like questions, but they are not likely to pursue careers and study in these fields because they haven't really learnt to enjoy the subject and to ask critical questions," he said.

The PISA tests first took place about 12 years ago because global leaders wanted to compare national school systems.

The Australian Council for Educational Research's professor Geoff Masters feels the tests are worthwhile.

"International studies are able to give us a better understanding of how our students are performing and also an opportunity to try to understand practices, effective practices, effective policies internationally," he said.


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Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:20am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:07am:
Australian school children are well behind a host of other countries when it comes to reading, mathematics and science, according to a new report.


Should we be surprised?  When "sensitivity" and "inclusion" is considered more important than actuall dam LEARNING, what other result would there be?
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Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:24am
 
Most public school teachers could get arrested on pay day for taking money under false pretences.
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:33am
 
Copy Finland? Why would we, when we can copy Amerika's recipe for retardation,  y'all

Why don't we spend more time teaching kids to read and write at the expense of wasteful programs that take up too much of the limited school day?

Maybe we don't need to teach our kids to read when they live in the lucky country, they can get by on luck, can't they?

The school curriculum needs a complete overhaul, but it won't happen, it cost too much to put this inferior system in place.

The Olympic and AFL bosses want us to put more sport in school. We can be a nation of Milo Kerrigan's.


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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:39am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:33am:
Copy Finland? Why would we, when we can copy Amerika's recipe for retardation,  y'all

Why don't we spend more time teaching kids to read and write at the expense of wasteful programs that take up too much of the limited school day?

Maybe we don't need to teach our kids to read when they live in the lucky country, they can get by on luck, can't they?

The school curriculum needs a complete overhaul, but it won't happen, it cost too much to put this inferior system in place.

The Olympic and AFL bosses want us to put more sport in school. We can be a nation of Milo Kerrigan's.



That's too obvious !! The idea is to spend as much as you can on everything that DOESN'T improve a child's education such as handing money oever to crooked builders to make unusable tuck shops. Handing out money to crooked religious institutions to run schools. Giving money to sports institutions. It's a sure fired way of producing a nation of dummies. They better pray that the mining boom doesn't stop  because if they have to rely on their ingenuity to create export markets then we are really in trouble !!
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:48am
 
No S**t Roll Eyes

The Australian Medical System is just the same with the Private Health Providers (the ones you don't see on TV) are ripping you off just as much! They give you nice food, carpet, paintings on walls - but really poor Medical Care ...especially if you are too 'difficult' an operation then you are shipped back to the Public where BETTER Medical care can be given.
Roll Eyes

The SCAM of all this is that Australia adopts the same things USA & UK do ...just because the speak the same language for 'Political' reasons Roll Eyes.
Gee - considering a lot of nations now have English as their main language ...maybe its because of 'Racial' reasons? Huh

Obviously Australia does not take advice from the BEST in anything other than Politics - they just take it from USA and its loyal 'Political' subjects.

I laugh when people say Australia is becoming more like America each year.  Grin
Australia has ALWAYS been just like America.
Just read the Daily Telegraph etc.
"Down Under in Jail" Grin
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Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:49am
 
as usual dope-nail's target is wrong. Finlands public system is great and the reason there are so few private schools there is because lack of need. Private schools in Australia exist because the public system is crap - not the other way around. So how about target the poxy quaility of PUBLIC education instread of your usual envy-based vitriole at the latest target of fancy.

If you hate private schools so much then lobby to have the public syetem adopt the Finish model. Within 10 years there would be little demand for private schools here and you can get your wish. But remember that the Finns already spend LESS per head on theier education system than we do in our publci system so the problem isnt money - its how it is done that is the problem.

You could increase public school funding by 50% and nothing would change because funding isnt the problem. And why does Finland do more with less money? in part because there is very little bureaucracy to fund whereas our Education Departments have more peopl on $300K than almost any other dept while some schools cant afford paper.
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Reply #7 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:50am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:39am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:33am:
Copy Finland? Why would we, when we can copy Amerika's recipe for retardation,  y'all

Why don't we spend more time teaching kids to read and write at the expense of wasteful programs that take up too much of the limited school day?

Maybe we don't need to teach our kids to read when they live in the lucky country, they can get by on luck, can't they?

The school curriculum needs a complete overhaul, but it won't happen, it cost too much to put this inferior system in place.

The Olympic and AFL bosses want us to put more sport in school. We can be a nation of Milo Kerrigan's.



That's too obvious !! The idea is to spend as much as you can on everything that DOESN'T improve a child's education such as handing money oever to crooked builders to make unusable tuck shops. Handing out money to crooked religious institutions to run schools. Giving money to sports institutions. It's a sure fired way of producing a nation of dummies. They better pray that the mining boom doesn't stop  because if they have to rely on their ingenuity to create export markets then we are really in trouble !!


So do we assume that your supposed 'invention' didnt get anywhere?
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Reply #8 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:54am
 
Middle-Class Egalitarianism (still part of USA via the UK back-door)

The Free education is Crap and treated like Crap
just like the Public Hospitals
The Private is a blantant Rip-Off where the students there are no better edu-ma-cated.

Mind you. I went to Mt Druitt
you know "FAILURES" on the front page of the Daily Telegraph that spells Gaol as Jail for starters.

...so what do I know Roll Eyes come to 'think' about it Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:02pm
 
why would anybody always expect there to be constant improvement? individual differences in educational accomplishment are causally to a great extent bound to genotypic factors (whether they be personality related or cognitive) and aren't really under the immediate control of anybody. our performance on the TIMSS was fine:

Grade 8
Education system            Average score
TIMSS scale average            500      
Korea, Rep. of            613      △
Singapore1            611      △
Chinese Taipei-CHN            609      △
Hong Kong-CHN            586      △
Japan            570      △
Russian Federation1            539      △
Israel2            516      
Finland            514      
United States1            509      
England-GBR3            507      
Hungary            505      
Australia            505      
Slovenia            505      
Lithuania4            502      
Italy            498      ▽
New Zealand            488      ▽
Kazakhstan            487      ▽
Sweden            484      ▽
Ukraine            479      ▽
Norway            475      ▽
Armenia            467      ▽
Romania            458      ▽
United Arab Emirates            456      ▽
Turkey            452      ▽
Lebanon            449      ▽
Malaysia            440      ▽
Georgia4,5            431      ▽
Thailand            427      ▽
Macedonia, Rep. of6            426      ▽
Tunisia            425      ▽
Chile            416      ▽
Iran, Islamic Rep. of6            415      ▽
Qatar6            410      ▽
Bahrain6            409      ▽
Jordan6            406      ▽
Palestinian Nat'l Auth.6            404      ▽
Saudi Arabia6            394      ▽
Indonesia6            386      ▽
Syrian Arab Republic6            380      ▽
Morocco7            371      ▽
Oman6            366      ▽
Ghana7            331      ▽

where is the beef? i don't smacking get all this whining about how 'terrible' our educational system is. we're doing just fine. its just more of an excuse for the tree shakers to shake down people for more money for whatever lame pet 'solution' they have to this alleged 'problem'.
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Reply #10 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:12pm
 
Finland has a 23% VAT (GST) and a top marginal tax rate of 29% and a company tax rate of 26%.

With a 23% GST Aust could maybe afford to pump extra cash into education, hospitals etc.

Increase the GST to 23% and reduce marginal & company tax rates. Yep copy Finland. Wink Smiley
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Reply #11 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:15pm
 
Thats the problem there.
People say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I say "Make it better! If it stuffs up - then there's a NEW mistake to learn from."

Aboriginals said for 40,000 years
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

...ignorance is bliss I suppose Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:16pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 11:49am:
as usual dope-nail's target is wrong. Finlands public system is great and the reason there are so few private schools there is because lack of need. Private schools in Australia exist because the public system is crap - not the other way around. So how about target the poxy quaility of PUBLIC education instread of your usual envy-based vitriole at the latest target of fancy.

If you hate private schools so much then lobby to have the public syetem adopt the Finish model. Within 10 years there would be little demand for private schools here and you can get your wish. But remember that the Finns already spend LESS per head on theier education system than we do in our publci system so the problem isnt money - its how it is done that is the problem.

You could increase public school funding by 50% and nothing would change because funding isnt the problem. And why does Finland do more with less money? in part because there is very little bureaucracy to fund whereas our Education Departments have more peopl on $300K than almost any other dept while some schools cant afford paper.


what a stupid argument as usual.

you don't fix up the public school system by doling out public money to private schools which are run as businesses usually by corrupt religious institutions.

The Fins employ the top brass teachers which are better paid than lawyers and doctors. That's the first thing that needs to change is the calibre of the teachers.
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Reply #13 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:16pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
Thats the problem there.
People say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I say "Make it better! If it stuffs up - then there's a NEW mistake to learn from."

Aboriginals said for 40,000 years
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

...ignorance is bliss I suppose Roll Eyes


Yeah and Jesus told them "don't do anything until I get back".. Cheesy
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Reply #14 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 12:18pm
 
Or he said to his Jewish people who crucified him...
"Wait till me little brother Hitler gets yas!"
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