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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #15 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 11:40pm

JC Denton wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 7:59am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 7:24am:

Sadly the Americans would rather slaughter each other than part with their guns so if thats their thing and they keep their murderous ways within their own borders Ive stopped caring.

It's quite possible the shooting wouldn't have been possible without the (relatively) easy access to firearms in the United States compared to most other developed countries, but it's obviously not the root cause given it has been a heavily armed society for centuries but school shootings are a recent phenomenon. Many elements in the media however aren't capable of discussing this any other way, and certainly are not willing to admit that American society is a total failure and turns out lunatics like this regularly.

there's always a kneejerk response to DO SOMETHING when black swan tragedies occur

that's because of the law of small numbers--we notice poo like this waaaay more than the 15,000 murders (not to mention attempted murders averted by good luck and/or trauma surgery) a year. overall murder rates for the usa when you control by demography are higher than in european countries but not much higher

9/11 was such a black swan event and americans DID SOMETHING

several unnecessary federal bureaucracies were created, civil rights were drastically curtailed, unnecessary foreign wars were launched, and air travel made miserable for everyone

did these reduce future terrorist attacks? probably not but it's impossible to know

similarly school shootings are black swan events, and unlike terrorist attacks don't threaten the rule of law and thus are less dangerous

very few of them actually happen, and while the individual incidents are atrocious how many people die of school shootings in a year?

regardlesss im not really a fan of gun control and dont think the evidence demonstrates it consequences in that much of an effective decrease in violence but some of the arguments against it appear silly really (and some of the arguments in favour of it arent bad)

like idk i can completely get where people are coming when they say nobody needs to own a semi automatic rifle or an automatic rifle

also that braindead GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE line

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #16 - Dec 16^th, 2012 at 11:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 8:49am:

I don't know what the Yanks can do to stop this.

There are so many guns in the USA - more than 1 per person - 300 million -
that you could never get rid of them all.

Even in Australia - just watch the Underbelly series based on true events -
the criminals always seem to have ready access to guns
yet we have strict gun controls.

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #17 - Dec 17^th, 2012 at 5:20am

bambu wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 4:40am:

Somebody on the TV last night was saying there should have been more guns in the school to defend themselves. . . .maybe iblis wasnt joking

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The teachers/principal ran at the shooter to try to save their students.
Unarmed, they just got slaughtered.

If the principal had emerged from her office firing a machine gun from her hip, she probably would've had a good chance of killing the shooter and saving the lives of the kindy kids and the teachers.

The killer forced his way into the school, and was not buzzed in/let in as earlier reported.

So you think principles of primary schools should have an easily accessible machine gun?

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Reply #18 - Dec 17^th, 2012 at 11:22pm

bambu wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 4:40am:

Somebody on the TV last night was saying there should have been more guns in the school to defend themselves. . . .maybe iblis wasnt joking

SOB

The teachers/principal ran at the shooter to try to save their students.
Unarmed, they just got slaughtered.

If the principal had emerged from her office firing a machine gun from her hip, she probably would've had a good chance of killing the shooter and saving the lives of the kindy kids and the teachers.

The killer forced his way into the school, and was not buzzed in/let in as earlier reported.

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WHY ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE USA-STYLE SCHOOL MASSACRES

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http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.il/2012/12/actually-its-kind-of-hard-to-get-gun-...

Once again, the Jews lead the world, showing us how to protect children [and ourselves] from the criminally insane.

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #19 - Dec 17^th, 2012 at 11:52pm

This was the response by a Newtown resident, being asked by an Australian media person, if Americans should now support the outlawing of dangerous firearms ?

"Why out law firearms ? Many people are killed in cars every day, but we don't try to outlaw cars."

So, why not ?

If large numbers of people are killed by the cars on our roads [the figures used to be ~ 3,000 per year in Australia!], why not ban cars,
OR,
prevent ALL vehicles from going faster than 15 km/hr ??????????

It makes the same sense, as banning firearms ["....coz, firearms kill people"].

And of course, even if the ownership of firearms [by peaceable and law-abiding citizens] was totally banned, there would still be firearms 'in the community'.

Because the government would still see a 'need' for ITS servants to have ready access to firearms.

Q.
Why should the police [and other agencies of the state] be permitted to have firearms, when firearms are 'very dangerous' ?

And, criminals would still have firearms, and they would still threaten and murder other citizens with those firearms.

SEE ALSO....
Why collectivism is antithetical to liberty is argued [and demonstrated in that argument, imo] in the 1st of these two simple video presentations.

Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=MkSHg3JV_V8

Gun Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=8RoMqB0VU4U

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Another School Shooting in America Reply #20 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 4:41am As obama pointed out its the yank culture. It is a culture of violence. Seriously why should anyone have access to a sub machine gun? PS: If you are going to call countries that are NOT socialist that then what word will there be for the actual socialist countries? SOB
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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #21 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:53am

Yadda wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 11:52pm:

This was the response by a Newtown resident, being asked by an Australian media person, if Americans should now support the outlawing of dangerous firearms ?

"Why out law firearms ? Many people are killed in cars every day, but we don't try to outlaw cars."

So, why not ?

If large numbers of people are killed by the cars on our roads [the figures used to be ~ 3,000 per year in Australia!], why not ban cars,
OR,
prevent ALL vehicles from going faster than 15 km/hr ??????????

It makes the same sense, as banning firearms ["....coz, firearms kill people"].

And of course, even if the ownership of firearms [by peaceable and law-abiding citizens] was totally banned, there would still be firearms 'in the community'.

Because the government would still see a 'need' for ITS servants to have ready access to firearms.

Q.
Why should the police [and other agencies of the state] be permitted to have firearms, when firearms are 'very dangerous' ?

And, criminals would still have firearms, and they would still threaten and murder other citizens with those firearms.

SEE ALSO....
Why collectivism is antithetical to liberty is argued [and demonstrated in that argument, imo] in the 1st of these two simple video presentations.

Pt1 The Nature and Origin of Human Rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=MkSHg3JV_V8

Gun Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=8RoMqB0VU4U

What absolute nonsense yadda.

As if cars are used for the same purpose as guns.

Seriously , you are gonna have to come up with a better argument than that.

Next you'll be saying that we should ban knives because any nutter without a gun can just pick up a knife and kill that many people.

Well here's another news item from yesterday;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/china-school-attack-doomsday-rumors_n_2...

"Min Yongjun is suspected of going into an elderly woman's house Friday morning and stabbing her with a kitchen knife. He then allegedly went to a nearby elementary school in Chenpeng village in Guangshan county and injured the 23 children before being stopped by teachers and police."

See the difference?

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Re: WHY ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE USA-STYLE SCHOOL MASSACRES
Reply #22 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:56am

Yadda wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 11:22pm:

bambu wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 4:40am:

Somebody on the TV last night was saying there should have been more guns in the school to defend themselves. . . .maybe iblis wasnt joking

SOB

The teachers/principal ran at the shooter to try to save their students.
Unarmed, they just got slaughtered.

If the principal had emerged from her office firing a machine gun from her hip, she probably would've had a good chance of killing the shooter and saving the lives of the kindy kids and the teachers.

The killer forced his way into the school, and was not buzzed in/let in as earlier reported.

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WHY ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE USA-STYLE SCHOOL MASSACRES

Image source....
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.il/2012/12/actually-its-kind-of-hard-to-get-gun-...

Once again, the Jews lead the world, showing us how to protect children [and ourselves] from the criminally insane.

And what a great , moral , safe country israel is.

A real beacon to the world.

What an example to live by.

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #23 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:17am

darkhall67,
SPOT,

We don't need to protect ourselves from 'guns'.

We need to protect ourselves from, THE CRIMINALLY INSANE.
[Many of whom, are those persons who want to avoid responsibility, for the consequences of their own 'poor' choices.]

Q.
And how can that be best accomplished ?

A.
By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane.
And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves.

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It would be totally moral, to let [to compel!] the criminally insane, live among their own,
...the criminally insane.

And to let those who are peaceable and law abiding, live among those who are peaceable and law abiding.

And you may, or may not be aware of it, but one of those two 'situations' is [essentially] going to be our own fate.

In our own choices [in our 'journey' here], everyday, we are 'confirming' our choice, to either live in the 'light, or, to be compelled to live in the 'darkness' [...with those others who also love the 'darkness'].

God is our creator, and God's message to mankind, has ALWAYS been, that we should,
1/ seek to please our God,
2/ and we should seek to discern between good, and evil [and that we should separate 'the precious from the vile'].

Don't let people try to tell you that 'discrimination' is a social crime. [ <--- that comes from SATAN's camp.]

The ABILITY to separate 'the precious from the vile', is a virtue which God appreciates.

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"I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people."

Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

Psalms 15:1
LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?
2 He that walketh uprightly, and worketh righteousness, and speaketh the truth in his heart.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Isaiah 64:4
For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he [God] hath prepared for him that waiteth for him [God].

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darkhall67,

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And what a great , moral , safe country israel is.

A real beacon to the world.

What an example to live by.

I too, wish that that were 100% true. Tongue

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #24 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:28am

Yadda wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Q.
And how can that be best accomplished ?

A.
By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane.
And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves.

And how do you propose to do that? by the time we fond out who is criminally insane they have done their deed and died.

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #25 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:57am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:28am:

Yadda wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Q.
And how can that be best accomplished ?

A.
By [as much as is possible] seeking to separate ourselves from those who are criminally insane.
And by seeking to separate those who are criminally insane, from ourselves.

And how do you propose to do that? by the time we fond out who is criminally insane they have done their deed and died.

SOB

SPOT,

If we want to know who the criminally insane are;

All we need to do is to watch their behaviour, and to apply truth in our judgement [...of their behaviour].iA simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Quote:

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #26 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:05am

Every day, countless people pass you by on the street, who should not be walking our streets, but should have been be locked up [separated from other citizens], because they have been convicted of a serious crime, but they are not locked away.

Q.
Why does our society refuse to lock up [permanently] people who have been convicted of a serious crime ?

e.g.
Murderers.
Child murderers.
Negligent homicide.
Lying politicians. [ <---- people who asked for the trust of the citizens, and then betrayed that trust.]
Drink drivers who have caused the death of another innocent party.
....and many more.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26500 Australia	Re: Another School Shooting in America Reply #27 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:15am That may be so but has nothing to do with the mass murders in america. The ppl doing them typically have no criminal records. SOB
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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #28 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:25am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:15am:

That may be so but has nothing to do with the mass murders in america.

The ppl doing them typically have no criminal records.

SOB

And why is that then ??????

Yadda said....
Quote:

SPOT,

If we want to know who the criminally insane are;

All we need to do is to watch their behaviour, and to apply truth in our judgement [...of their behaviour].

Too many people today, HATE TRUTH.

And many people today are not prepared to condemn what is wrong [i.e. evil].

Q.
Why not ?

A.
Because it is not PC to 'discriminate' between what is good and what is evil.

People who are moral cowards, will be discarded by God.

Boo, hoo.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The moral cowards.

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Re: Another School Shooting in America
Reply #29 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 12:05pm

bambu wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 2:03pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 4:40am:

Somebody on the TV last night was saying there should have been more guns in the school to defend themselves. . . .maybe iblis wasnt joking

SOB

The teachers/principal ran at the shooter to try to save their students.
Unarmed, they just got slaughtered.

If the principal had emerged from her office firing a machine gun from her hip, she probably would've had a good chance of killing the shooter and saving the lives of the kindy kids and the teachers.

The killer forced his way into the school, and was not buzzed in/let in as earlier reported.

What a great idea! How many kids do you think the principal could have killed? How many would be caught in the crossfire?

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