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IPCC admits that ACC is false.
Dec 18^th, 2012 at 8:40am

Breaking news from the US – h/t Watts Up With That? – where a leaked draft of the IPCC's latest report AR5 admits what some of us have suspected for a very long time: that the case for man-made global warming is looking weaker by the day and that the sun plays a much more significant role in "climate change" than the scientific "consensus" has previously been prepared to concede.

Here's the killer admission:

Many empirical relationships have been reported between GCR or cosmogenic isotope archives and some aspects of the climate system (e.g., Bond et al., 2001; Dengel et al., 2009; Ram and Stolz, 1999). The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link. We focus here on observed relationships between GCR and aerosol and cloud properties.

As the leaker explains, this is a game-changer:

The admission of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing changes everything. The climate alarmists can’t continue to claim that warming was almost entirely due to human activity over a period when solar warming effects, now acknowledged to be important, were at a maximum. The final draft of AR5 WG1 is not scheduled to be released for another year but the public needs to know now how the main premises and conclusions of the IPCC story line have been undercut by the IPCC itself.

Over to you greentards. I look forward to reading your extravagant apologias as to why this is a story of no significance and that it's business as usual for the great Climate Change Ponzi scheme.

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hadrian_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1041 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #1 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:10am Over to you greentards. I look forward to reading your extravagant apologias as to why this is a story of no significance and that it's business as usual for the great Climate Change Ponzi scheme. Would the Pope admit that there is no god?
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #2 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:49am and yet again... no ACC hysterics willing to comment.
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hadrian_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1041 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #3 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:51am No, they never like to be drawn out on anything unfavourable to their religious beliefs.
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Rider Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2669 OnTheRoad Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #4 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:12am too busy manipulating raw data it seems, you know, got to make it fit the message scare
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #5 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:29am Rider wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:12am: too busy manipulating raw data it seems, you know, got to make it fit the message scare probably true. They do have a disturbing history of data manipulation.
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Reply #6 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:41am

gold_medal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

and yet again... no ACC hysterics willing to comment.

This is why I have been asking them for years now - how much carbon in percentage terms do humans contribute to the carbon cycle

If we contribute only 1% - then any cuts will be meaningless

If we contribute 50% then human cuts will have an impact

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Reply #7 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:50am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

and yet again... no ACC hysterics willing to comment.

This is why I have been asking them for years now - how much carbon in percentage terms do humans contribute to the carbon cycle

If we contribute only 1% - then any cuts will be meaningless

If we contribute 50% then human cuts will have an impact

With that question though, you are still assuming CO2 has a great impact on temperature, when it doesn't. Co2 is still a trace gas regardless of what humans do and the feedbacks are not what the AGW religious types are saying. Water vapour has not changed, there is not a hot spot ect.

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Reply #8 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:56am

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

and yet again... no ACC hysterics willing to comment.

This is why I have been asking them for years now - how much carbon in percentage terms do humans contribute to the carbon cycle

If we contribute only 1% - then any cuts will be meaningless

If we contribute 50% then human cuts will have an impact

With that question though, you are still assuming CO2 has a great impact on temperature, when it doesn't.

I posted some time ago that CO2 makes up 0.00024% of the Earth's atmospher

It is also interesting that they are using "greenhouse gas" now instead of carbon emission

It's also interesting to note that greenhouse gases are mostly water vapours

Water is a very good vessel to carry heat - hence global warming

Lefties also notice I posted sometime back about Observational Science. It's about picking on something, collect data and try to make correlation

So if it's global warming then they simply look at the atmosphere, pick a component in the atmosphere relating to humans and attribute the change to humans

Carbon Dioxide is one of the least abundant component in the atmosphere yet they chose to pick on it because it relates to humans

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Reply #9 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 12:26pm

hadrian_now wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 9:10am:

Over to you greentards. I look forward to reading your extravagant apologias as to why this is a story of no significance and that it's business as usual for the great Climate Change Ponzi scheme.

Would the Pope admit that there is no god?

Would Americans- not to mentian america - admit that its Nuclear Weapons are impotent???

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Reply #10 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 12:28pm

Maqqa wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:56am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:50am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 10:49am:

and yet again... no ACC hysterics willing to comment.

This is why I have been asking them for years now - how much carbon in percentage terms do humans contribute to the carbon cycle

If we contribute only 1% - then any cuts will be meaningless

If we contribute 50% then human cuts will have an impact

With that question though, you are still assuming CO2 has a great impact on temperature, when it doesn't.

I posted some time ago that CO2 makes up 0.00024% of the Earth's atmospher

It is also interesting that they are using "greenhouse gas" now instead of carbon emission

It's also interesting to note that greenhouse gases are mostly water vapours

Water is a very good vessel to carry heat - hence global warming

Lefties also notice I posted sometime back about Observational Science. It's about picking on something, collect data and try to make correlation

So if it's global warming then they simply look at the atmosphere, pick a component in the atmosphere relating to humans and attribute the change to humans

Carbon Dioxide is one of the least abundant component in the atmosphere yet they chose to pick on it because it relates to humans

it's all systems dood!

go anti-intellectualism: this is what makes america gun crazy!!

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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #11 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 2:27pm you are such a drongo deaddog. you cant even post on topic.
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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #12 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 2:52pm What 300 ppm looks like ... http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/07/what-does-800-ppm-co2-look-like-vs-300-ppm-th...
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Reply #13 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 3:11pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

What 300 ppm looks like ...

http://www.c3headlines.com/2009/07/what-does-800-ppm-co2-look-like-vs-300-ppm-th...

The interesting thing about that is the "ppm"

Parts per million

If we look at every components in the atmosphere as equalling 1,000,000 balls - then 300 of those balls are CO2

And they are saying these 300 balls are somehow keeping the heat inside the atmosphere to heat it up?

But lets ignore a much bigger heating source like......I don't know......THE SUN

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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #14 - Dec 18^th, 2012 at 3:34pm and now the IPCC is pretty much saying ... 'oops! we were wrong!"
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