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Reply #60 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:18am
 
Come on Longy..fill me in about what the problem is with cleaning up pollution and making it easier for every country to be energy independent.
The denialists are only panicking because they cant imagine a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels for energy.
Its like someone addicted to cigarettes dreading the day he cant smoke anymore.
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Reply #61 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:54am
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Come on Longy..fill me in about what the problem is with cleaning up pollution and making it easier for every country to be energy independent.
The denialists are only panicking because they cant imagine a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels for energy.
Its like someone addicted to cigarettes dreading the day he cant smoke anymore.

Gaia earth god gave us liquid batteries to use, not to keep in the ground to just sit there.

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Reply #62 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:30am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:54am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Come on Longy..fill me in about what the problem is with cleaning up pollution and making it easier for every country to be energy independent.
The denialists are only panicking because they cant imagine a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels for energy.
Its like someone addicted to cigarettes dreading the day he cant smoke anymore.

Gaia earth god gave us liquid batteries to use, not to keep in the ground to just sit there.



Millions of years to produce and we are digging it up and burning it in only a few hundred years..that may give you a bit of a hint as to why its creating a few issues.
You dont need a science degree to figure that out.
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Reply #63 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:45am
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:30am:
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:54am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Come on Longy..fill me in about what the problem is with cleaning up pollution and making it easier for every country to be energy independent.
The denialists are only panicking because they cant imagine a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels for energy.
Its like someone addicted to cigarettes dreading the day he cant smoke anymore.

Gaia earth god gave us liquid batteries to use, not to keep in the ground to just sit there.



Millions of years to produce and we are digging it up and burning it in only a few hundred years..that may give you a bit of a hint as to why its creating a few issues.
You dont need a science degree to figure that out.

There was always going to be an uptick in knowledge gained via the use of cheap energy. There will be plenty in order to get us to another power supply. Not through scaremongering doomsday cults, but through a gradual need for it and innovation.
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Reply #64 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:56am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:45am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:30am:
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:54am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Come on Longy..fill me in about what the problem is with cleaning up pollution and making it easier for every country to be energy independent.
The denialists are only panicking because they cant imagine a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels for energy.
Its like someone addicted to cigarettes dreading the day he cant smoke anymore.

Gaia earth god gave us liquid batteries to use, not to keep in the ground to just sit there.



Millions of years to produce and we are digging it up and burning it in only a few hundred years..that may give you a bit of a hint as to why its creating a few issues.
You dont need a science degree to figure that out.

There was always going to be an uptick in knowledge gained via the use of cheap energy. There will be plenty in order to get us to another power supply. Not through scaremongering doomsday cults, but through a gradual need for it and innovation.


Well...that has nothing to do with what I wrote  Cheesy
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Reply #65 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:36am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 11:56am:
I posted some time ago that CO2 makes up 0.00024% of the Earth's atmospher

It is also interesting that they are using "greenhouse gas" now instead of carbon emission

It's also interesting to note that greenhouse gases are mostly water vapours

Water is a very good vessel to carry heat - hence global warming

Carbon Dioxide is one of the least abundant component in the atmosphere yet they chose to pick on it because it relates to humans


LOL Maqqa, you either have absolutely no idea about science (in which case you should really stop making a fool of yourself in a global warming debate) or you are being deliberately misleading (Probably both).

The earths atmosphere is a natural greenhouse. If we didn't have the natural levels of water vapor, CO2, CH4 etc to keep us warm our planet would be at least 30 degrees colder.

The problem is that by burning fossil fuels and large scale deforestation there is more CO2 going into the atmosphere. If you increase the levels of these greenhouse gasses you will increase the temperature.
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Reply #66 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:47am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:36am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 11:56am:
I posted some time ago that CO2 makes up 0.00024% of the Earth's atmospher

It is also interesting that they are using "greenhouse gas" now instead of carbon emission

It's also interesting to note that greenhouse gases are mostly water vapours

Water is a very good vessel to carry heat - hence global warming

Carbon Dioxide is one of the least abundant component in the atmosphere yet they chose to pick on it because it relates to humans


LOL Maqqa, you either have absolutely no idea about science (in which case you should really stop making a fool of yourself in a global warming debate) or you are being deliberately misleading (Probably both).

The earths atmosphere is a natural greenhouse. If we didn't have the natural levels of water vapor, CO2, CH4 etc to keep us warm our planet would be at least 30 degrees colder.

The problem is that by burning fossil fuels and large scale deforestation there is more CO2 going into the atmosphere. If you increase the levels of these greenhouse gasses you will increase the temperature.

A trace gas does not have the power to do what h2o in its different forms, already does.
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Reply #67 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:08am
 
gold_medal wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 8:40am:
Breaking news from the US – h/t Watts Up With That? – where a leaked draft of the IPCC's latest report AR5 admits what some of us have suspected for a very long time: that the case for man-made global warming is looking weaker by the day and that the sun plays a much more significant role in "climate change" than the scientific "consensus" has previously been prepared to concede.

Here's the killer admission:

Many empirical relationships have been reported between GCR or cosmogenic isotope archives and some aspects of the climate system (e.g., Bond et al., 2001; Dengel et al., 2009; Ram and Stolz, 1999). The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link. We focus here on observed relationships between GCR and aerosol and cloud properties.

As the leaker explains, this is a game-changer:

The admission of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing changes everything. The climate alarmists can’t continue to claim that warming was almost entirely due to human activity over a period when solar warming effects, now acknowledged to be important, were at a maximum. The final draft of AR5 WG1 is not scheduled to be released for another year but the public needs to know now how the main premises and conclusions of the IPCC story line have been undercut by the IPCC itself.

Over to you greentards. I look forward to reading your extravagant apologias as to why this is a story of no significance and that it's business as usual for the great Climate Change Ponzi scheme.


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Leaked IPCC report reaffirms dangerous climate change


A draft of a major report on climate change, due to be published next year, has been leaked online. Climate-sceptic bloggers have seized on it, claiming that it admits that much of global warming has been caused by the sun's variability, not by greenhouse gas emissions. In fact, the report says nothing of the kind.

Rawls highlights a paragraph on page 43 of chapter 7, which he calls "a killing admission that completely undercuts the main premise and the main conclusion of the full report, revealing the fundamental dishonesty of the whole".

Cosmic influence
The paragraph discusses the purported effects of galactic cosmic rays (GCR) on Earth's climate. We know that the sun's activity, or solar irradiance, varies on an 11-year cycle, and at its peak it can slightly raise global temperatures. GCRs could, in theory, amplify the effects of the solar cycle and lead to even more warming.

Rawls highlights this sentence from the IPCC draft report: "The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link."

Essentially, this says that observed changes in the sun's brightness over the last century have been small, and that their apparent effects on Earth's climate have been larger than might be expected. Therefore, you might think that some other mechanism was amplifying the sun's effects – such as the aforementioned cosmic rays.

Rawls claims this means that the sun's effects on Earth's climate have been much larger than climate scientists have been prepared to admit, and that the sun could therefore be the reason for the warming Earth has experienced in the last century. He writes: "Once the evidence for enhanced solar forcing is taken into account we can have no confidence that natural forcing is small compared to anthropogenic forcing."

Wishful sceptics
Climate scientists are lining up to debunk this claim, and to explain that the bloggers have simply got it wrong. "They're misunderstanding, either deliberately or otherwise, what that sentence is meant to say," says solar expert Joanna Haigh of Imperial College London.

Haigh says that if Rawls had read a bit further, he would have realised that the report goes on to largely dismiss the evidence that cosmic rays have a significant effect. "They conclude there's very little evidence that it has any effect," she says.

In fact, the report summary reaffirms that humanity's greenhouse gas emissions are the main reason for rising temperatures. It goes on to detail the many harmful effects, from more frequent heatwaves to rising sea levels.

What the sun does
Haigh points out that the sun actually began dimming slightly in the mid-1980s, if we take an average over its 11-year cycle, so fewer GCRs should have been deflected from Earth and more Earth-cooling clouds should have formed. "If there were some way cosmic rays could be causing global climate change, it should have started getting colder after 1985." The last three decades have seen continuing warming, with the last decade the warmest on record.

"If they can look at a short section of a report and walk away believing it says the opposite of what it actually says, and if this spin can be uncritically echoed by very influential blogs, imagine how wildly they are misinterpreting the scientific evidence."

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Reply #68 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:13am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:47am:
A trace gas does not have the power to do what h2o in its different forms, already does.


But we arn't talking about keeping the temperature the same. We are talking about increasing the temperature.

H2O keeps the temperature as it is. If more is put into the system then it simply falls out as rain.

Global warming is about increasing temperature therefore H2O is irrelevant.

Put more CO2 into the system and it has no where to go, so the concentration increases and the temperature increases.


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Reply #69 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:14am
 
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Climate scientists are lining up to debunk this claim, and to explain that the bloggers have simply got it wrong. "They're misunderstanding, either deliberately or otherwise, what that sentence is meant to say," says solar expert Joanna Haigh of Imperial College London.


Granted, some are just plain dumb, lets face it a few posters here don't know the difference between climate change and the weather, cods consistently asks for it to be explained. But on the other hand you have what could be considered reasonably intelligent people, they are the dangerous ones to our worlds future, for they are intentionally ignoring facts for fiction, you can only assume they intend to gain from their despicable lies.
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Reply #70 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:25am
 
skippy. wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:14am:
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Climate scientists are lining up to debunk this claim, and to explain that the bloggers have simply got it wrong. "They're misunderstanding, either deliberately or otherwise, what that sentence is meant to say," says solar expert Joanna Haigh of Imperial College London.


Granted, some are just plain dumb, lets face it a few posters here don't know the difference between climate change and the weather, cods consistently asks for it to be explained. But on the other hand you have what could be considered reasonably intelligent people, they are the dangerous ones to our worlds future, for they are intentionally ignoring facts for fiction, you can only assume they intend to gain from their despicable lies.


I would suggest, at some point in the chain of information, it is certain that there are those who will make substantial profits, from ensuring that information on this issue is at the very least "muddied" and then there are a great deal more who simply follow, because they don't want to believe that their "status quo world" is changing!
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Reply #71 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:43am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:47am:
A trace gas does not have the power to do what h2o in its different forms, already does.


Grin This one statement shows that you are clueless about the science behind global warming.
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Reply #72 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 2:28pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:18am:
Come on Longy..fill me in about what the problem is with cleaning up pollution and making it easier for every country to be energy independent.The denialists are only panicking because they cant imagine a world that doesn't burn fossil fuels for energy.
Its like someone addicted to cigarettes dreading the day he cant smoke anymore.


nothing like a bit of predictable tangential nonense from you. NO ONE is opposing cleaning up and using clear energy. what we are saying is that ACC is a scam and that CO2 is not heating the environment. We are also saying that the ACC movement is fraudulent and has sucked in a great number of people. But a lot are now stepping up to say it is crap. and that is Nobel Laureates in phsyics. Meterologists, geologists, ice-core experts and climate scietists.

in fact, the only people hanging on to the fantasy are the desperate, the stupid, the ill-informed and the liars.  which one are you?
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Reply #73 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 2:34pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:36am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 18th, 2012 at 11:56am:
I posted some time ago that CO2 makes up 0.00024% of the Earth's atmospher

It is also interesting that they are using "greenhouse gas" now instead of carbon emission

It's also interesting to note that greenhouse gases are mostly water vapours

Water is a very good vessel to carry heat - hence global warming

Carbon Dioxide is one of the least abundant component in the atmosphere yet they chose to pick on it because it relates to humans


LOL Maqqa, you either have absolutely no idea about science (in which case you should really stop making a fool of yourself in a global warming debate) or you are being deliberately misleading (Probably both).

The earths atmosphere is a natural greenhouse. If we didn't have the natural levels of water vapor, CO2, CH4 etc to keep us warm our planet would be at least 30 degrees colder.

The problem is that by burning fossil fuels and large scale deforestation there is more CO2 going into the atmosphere. If you increase the levels of these greenhouse gasses you will increase the temperature.


the problem is that the science doesnt support that.

Ivar Giaver, Nobel Lureate says "I am a skeptic... Global warming has become the new religion."

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Reply #74 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 2:38pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:13am:
progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:47am:
A trace gas does not have the power to do what h2o in its different forms, already does.


But we arn't talking about keeping the temperature the same. We are talking about increasing the temperature.

H2O keeps the temperature as it is. If more is put into the system then it simply falls out as rain.

Global warming is about increasing temperature therefore H2O is irrelevant.

Put more CO2 into the system and it has no where to go, so the concentration increases and the temperature increases.




this simplistic statement above is only true if you can be sure there are no other factors involved and no other feedback systems in operation. Trouble is, Climate Science is in its infancy and has very very little understanding of these things. Therefore your statement is not only wrong but arrogantly wrong - especially as history and current events are proving you wrong.
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