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Reply #90 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:56pm

Hansen the doomsday dummy, but MOTR laps it up

What about NASA’s James Hansen putting out a report predicting global warming would decrease Antarctic ice by 40 percent?

Scambos said the new ice data is “a contradiction” to Hansen’s prediction, but he said Hansen’s assessment was done in the early 1980s.

“We would not be doing our job very well if we had not learned something in 30 years,” he said.

Hansen couldnt predict when he was going to fart, 5 milliseconds before the event, but doomsday culters lap it up.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/shock-news-nsidc-admits-that-hanse...

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Reply #91 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:08pm

Doomsday cult dummy at it again
Hansen Creates Impossible Temperature Anomalies In The High Arctic (Again)

Hansen shows 2-4C anomalies near the North Pole, which are impossible in summer due to the latent heat of melting ice.

DMI shows that the whole month of July was normal or below, north of 80N

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_174-aug-17-08-57.j...

Hansen accomplished this stupidity by fabricating data where he doesn’t have any thermometers (grey area below.)

http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/screenhunter_175-aug-17-13-46.j...

All this cheating, and still below scenario C.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/08/17/hansen-creates-impossible-temperat...

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #92 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:16pm Doomsday cult leader predicts the end of world scenarios and misses on every scenario. Go figure Maybe we can change our doomsday predictions after the failures, like other cults in history.
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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #93 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm has anyone wondered just why people are still listening to these bozos? every prediction misses by a mile and yet they are regarded highly. Hansen are Mann et al are guilty of such misrepresentation that in some industries they woudl do jail time for it. but people just have to beleive in doom and gloom.
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Reply #94 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:25pm

gold_medal wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

has anyone wondered just why people are still listening to these bozos? every prediction misses by a mile and yet they are regarded highly. Hansen are Mann et al are guilty of such misrepresentation that in some industries they woudl do jail time for it.

but people just have to beleive in doom and gloom.

Have you noticed it is the same few bozzo's that go around as if they talk for the whole climate scientist community.

A few. There was also a few in climategate and the rest saying 'no you cant do that, that would be wrong and unethical'.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #95 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:40pm progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:25pm: Have you noticed it is the same few bozzo's that go around as if they talk for the whole climate scientist community. Aided and abetted by the dickheaded media too.
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Reply #96 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:04pm

Back in 1988 this was pioneering work. Hansen did not have the benefit of modern climate models or modern supercomputers and it was before we had decades of verifying observations, and before we knew just how fast greenhouse gas emissions would rise.

So how well did Hansen go.

Superficially, not very well at all. We can ignore scenarios A and C because A was based on the assumption CO2 emissions would grow exponentially, and C was based on the unfounded hope of cuts to emissions. If you want to honestly evaluate Hansen's predictions it makes sense to focus on Scenario B, which is based on an assumption very close to the actual growth in emissions.

Hansen was able to predict a growth in temperature because the physics is sound. Where his model fell short is in overestimating climate sensitivity to CO2. Hansen's climate model had a global mean surface air equilibrium sensitivity of 4.2°C warming for a doubling of atmospheric CO2. Our best estimates today are 3°C. Had Hansen used this lower sensitivity sensitivity he would have got very close to the actual temperature rise.

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"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #97 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:08pm MOTR, have you not thought mate you are a tad obsessed with this one subject! You're starting to resemble Lastnail and electric cars.
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Reply #98 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:12pm

MOTR wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:04pm:

Back in 1988 this was pioneering work. Hansen did not have the benefit of modern climate models or modern supercomputers and it was before we had decades of verifying observations, and before we knew just how fast greenhouse gas emissions would rise.

So how well did Hansen go.

http://www.realclimate.org/images/hansen09.jpg

Superficially, not very well at all. We can ignore scenarios A and C because A was based on the assumption CO2 emissions would grow exponentially, and C was based on the unfounded hope of cuts to emissions. If you want to honestly evaluate Hansen's predictions it makes sense to focus on Scenario B, which is based on an assumption very close to the actual growth in emissions.

Hansen was able to predict a growth in temperature because the physics is sound. Where his model fell short is in overestimating climate sensitivity to CO2. Hansen's climate model had a global mean surface air equilibrium sensitivity of 4.2°C warming for a doubling of atmospheric CO2. Our best estimates today are 3°C. Had Hansen used this lower sensitivity sensitivity he would have got very close to the actual temperature rise.

lol. The round about. Stop it, MOTR! You're just embarassing yourself.
Sounds familiar.

BTW, is that 0.5 Hansens new temperature or the raw. Surely he wouldn't cool the past and warm the present to get as close as possible to his failed scenario's.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: IPCC admits that ACC is false. Reply #99 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:21am A lot has happened in every field since 1988. Hansen was working with a lot less data. He was fundamentally right because the physics is sound. Today our knowledge is more complete and our models are much more sophisticated. At the end of the day Hansen was in the right ballpark.
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Reply #100 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:59am

MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:21am:

A lot has happened in every field since 1988. Hansen was working with a lot less data. He was fundamentally right because the physics is sound. Today our knowledge is more complete and our models are much more sophisticated. At the end of the day Hansen was in the right ballpark.

fundamentally right???? by any reckoning he was out by a factor of between 5 and 10!!! that is not 'right'. that is not even close. IN fact his predictions were totally alarmist and missed the mark by so far as to be an embarrassment. Much of his predictions are the same - alarmist and grossly wrong.

so why are you quoting him? even in the world of always-wrong climatologists he is close to the worst.

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Reply #101 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:04am

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:21am:

A lot has happened in every field since 1988. Hansen was working with a lot less data. He was fundamentally right because the physics is sound. Today our knowledge is more complete and our models are much more sophisticated. At the end of the day Hansen was in the right ballpark.

fundamentally right???? by any reckoning he was out by a factor of between 5 and 10!!! that is not 'right'. that is not even close. IN fact his predictions were totally alarmist and missed the mark by so far as to be an embarrassment. Much of his predictions are the same - alarmist and grossly wrong.

so why are you quoting him? even in the world of always-wrong climatologists he is close to the worst.

Could you imagine anyone predicting any different really. We are in a warming phase, so anyone could have given A Warmest, B a bit less warmer than A, C less warmer than B, D flat, E cooler (right) F cold.

The point though that Hansen was trying to make and is world away from being right, is that he knew how the temp would be with varying degrees of CO2 use. Wrong in every count. He has no clue of what CO2 does to the temp.

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Reply #102 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:11am

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:04am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:21am:

A lot has happened in every field since 1988. Hansen was working with a lot less data. He was fundamentally right because the physics is sound. Today our knowledge is more complete and our models are much more sophisticated. At the end of the day Hansen was in the right ballpark.

fundamentally right???? by any reckoning he was out by a factor of between 5 and 10!!! that is not 'right'. that is not even close. IN fact his predictions were totally alarmist and missed the mark by so far as to be an embarrassment. Much of his predictions are the same - alarmist and grossly wrong.

so why are you quoting him? even in the world of always-wrong climatologists he is close to the worst.

Could you imagine anyone predicting any different really. We are in a warming phase, so anyone could have given A Warmest, B a bit less warmer than A, C less warmer than B, D flat, E cooler (right) F cold.

The point though that Hansen was trying to make and is world away from being right, is that he knew how the temp would be with varying degrees of CO2 use. Wrong in every count. He has no clue of what CO2 does to the temp.

Hansen was the subject of the Open Letter from NASA employees asking someone to shut him up because he is disgracing the name of science.

so of course he is one of the hysterics leading luminaries!!!

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Reply #103 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:20am

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:04am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:21am:

A lot has happened in every field since 1988. Hansen was working with a lot less data. He was fundamentally right because the physics is sound. Today our knowledge is more complete and our models are much more sophisticated. At the end of the day Hansen was in the right ballpark.

fundamentally right???? by any reckoning he was out by a factor of between 5 and 10!!! that is not 'right'. that is not even close. IN fact his predictions were totally alarmist and missed the mark by so far as to be an embarrassment. Much of his predictions are the same - alarmist and grossly wrong.

so why are you quoting him? even in the world of always-wrong climatologists he is close to the worst.

Could you imagine anyone predicting any different really. We are in a warming phase, so anyone could have given A Warmest, B a bit less warmer than A, C less warmer than B, D flat, E cooler (right) F cold.

The point though that Hansen was trying to make and is world away from being right, is that he knew how the temp would be with varying degrees of CO2 use. Wrong in every count. He has no clue of what CO2 does to the temp.

Hansen was the subject of the Open Letter from NASA employees asking someone to shut him up because he is disgracing the name of science.

so of course he is one of the hysterics leading luminaries!!!

It is unfeasable to think of how many doomsday predictions the guy has had and failed.

The modernday doomsday cult is perpetual.

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Reply #104 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:27am

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:20am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:11am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 8:04am:

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:21am:

A lot has happened in every field since 1988. Hansen was working with a lot less data. He was fundamentally right because the physics is sound. Today our knowledge is more complete and our models are much more sophisticated. At the end of the day Hansen was in the right ballpark.

fundamentally right???? by any reckoning he was out by a factor of between 5 and 10!!! that is not 'right'. that is not even close. IN fact his predictions were totally alarmist and missed the mark by so far as to be an embarrassment. Much of his predictions are the same - alarmist and grossly wrong.

so why are you quoting him? even in the world of always-wrong climatologists he is close to the worst.

Could you imagine anyone predicting any different really. We are in a warming phase, so anyone could have given A Warmest, B a bit less warmer than A, C less warmer than B, D flat, E cooler (right) F cold.

The point though that Hansen was trying to make and is world away from being right, is that he knew how the temp would be with varying degrees of CO2 use. Wrong in every count. He has no clue of what CO2 does to the temp.

Hansen was the subject of the Open Letter from NASA employees asking someone to shut him up because he is disgracing the name of science.

so of course he is one of the hysterics leading luminaries!!!

It is unfeasable to think of how many doomsday predictions the guy has had and failed.

The modernday doomsday cult is perpetual.

Hansen & the bulk of the scientific community, are much more likely to get it correct, than some on here, who will still refuse to see the truth, even when all the ice at the poles have melted!

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