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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Asylum Seekers Philosophy Reply #15 - Dec 27^th, 2012 at 7:15pm Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 8:24am: Your 'function' here on OzPol is simply being an indistinct, irrelevant, 'reactive', 'bot', who is wasting storage bytes on FD's server. SPOT, Breathe in. There, you managed to do something useful. Maybe. Does the word "mascot" have any bearing here?
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Reply #16 - Dec 28^th, 2012 at 3:14am

this is problematic...

I mean we have Yadda
who cannot conceive of a world without God.

Every waking breathe and exhalation worships his God.

He has bolstered his 'worldview'
(...oh there is a much better German word to describe it... Gestalt..? no ..another word...hmmm ??? Zeitgeist ?) ..anyway

With scholastic study of religious texts, and finds comfort in the truths he finds.
He is purposeful, resolute, and tenacious.

He spreads the 'Word' at every opportunity.... but he doesn't

UNDERSTAND

he is alone in his faith... it is particular..to him.
As is all faith....
something 'individual' and specific to those who hold it to themselves....

he wants to share this understanding of his, BUT he will never truly succeed... because faith is a purely individual thing.

No amount of talk, of quotes, of sharing , will make another person understand his 'view'.
Although.... the desire to do so ..perhaps explains the popularity of TV Evangelists!! Huh

Each individual human makes their own decisions and the continued proselytising by Yadda gains NO FAVOR here.

Religious views lost their credibility when 'churches' began their Rule.
I'm talking the Western religious here. The BIBLE in other words. When the faithful followers of Jesus Christ ignored and defied the Commandments of Yahweh.God.... His Father....that was it for Christians,, as far as I'm concerned. Of course I wasn't around then .....

OF COURSE, I see this NOW, having spent some time over the yrs considering this most complex and confounded of human activity... religious faith.
Never having been baptised, or whatever, I have no early conditioning to overide. I had free choice in religious matters, even as a young child.

IT NEVER MADE ANY SENSE TO ME.
IT still makes no sense to me, and Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda,
you need to get a life.

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Reply #17 - Dec 28^th, 2012 at 4:07am

Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 4:08am:

Obviously they arent the minorities there.

SOB

And there you go, once again SPOT.

Posting on OzPol, but saying absolutely nothing.

SPOT,

'They', are who ?

And 'there', is where ?

And your argument is, what ?

SPOT, once again you prove, to all, that you have no ability to express an opinion, about anything.

Your 'function' here on OzPol is simply being an indistinct, irrelevant, 'reactive', 'bot', who is wasting storage bytes on FD's server.

SPOT,

Breathe in.

There, you managed to do something useful.

Maybe.

you try to prove that they arent happy in thier own country by saying they dont treat minorities well. Well they arent the minorities and we dont treat minorities that well either.

Of course rather than address this you resort to the usual attempts @ personal abuse.

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Reply #18 - Dec 28^th, 2012 at 4:08am

muso wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Your 'function' here on OzPol is simply being an indistinct, irrelevant, 'reactive', 'bot', who is wasting storage bytes on FD's server.

SPOT,

Breathe in.

There, you managed to do something useful.

Maybe.

Does the word "mascot" have any bearing here? Grin

Whats the matter muso do you disagree with me too?

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Reply #19 - Dec 28^th, 2012 at 7:04am

Emma wrote on Dec 28^th, 2012 at 3:14am:

yadda yadda yadda yadda....

....Religious views lost their credibility when 'churches' began their Rule.
I'm talking the Western religious here. The BIBLE in other words. When the faithful followers of Jesus Christ ignored and defied the Commandments of Yahweh.God.... His Father....that was it for Christians,, as far as I'm concerned. Of course I wasn't around then .....

OF COURSE, I see this NOW, having spent some time over the yrs considering this most complex and confounded of human activity... religious faith.
Never having been baptised, or whatever,

I have no early conditioning to overide. I had free choice in religious matters, even as a young child.

IT NEVER MADE ANY SENSE TO ME.
IT still makes no sense to me, and Yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda,

you need to get a life.

Emma Peel,

I have no early [religious] conditioning to override.    [....the only early [religious] 'conditioning' i received was singing hymns every morning, at primary school morning assembly.    which i remember as something which i did not regard as an imposition. i enjoyed it.]

"I had free choice in religious matters, even as a young child."

Me too.

My family 'religious' background is nominally 'Anglican', and i attended a state primary school.

I was never compelled [or even encouraged] to go to church on Sunday, and i never did. [and i felt no desire to go to church]

Though i remember, that i did believe in angels [protective spirits] from a very early age. [...though at that time i had no strong belief in a personal God]

And i have a very distinct memory [of myself as a young child, 7-8?, ] i was standing in my primary school yard, and of having a strong sense [or belief?] that this life [too], was very much an experience of, 'going to school'.    [ <---- i have 'always' sort of 'known' that. even when i wasn't 'religious', and, even before i was a bible reader]

p.s.
I have a life.

It has been difficult at times, and challenging.

I was in state care when i started school, then with foster parents, then later, back with one of my parents [by about 6-7].

But i have no cause to hate 'religion' or God.

Life is, what life is.

Life has taught me [sometimes harshly] that it is in my own best interest, to seek after good choices, rather than accept [easy] poor choices.

Is that a bad philosophy ?

[If there is a God,] should i hate God, because my life has been sometimes difficult ?

When i was about 18 years old, i intentionally prepared to, and i very nearly did purposely end my life [because i felt overwhelmed and alone at that time].

It must have been about then that i picked up and started reading the Gideons NT bible that we had all been given in school.    [...because i was looking for 'answers'.]

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1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

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Reply #20 - Dec 28^th, 2012 at 5:32pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 28^th, 2012 at 4:08am:

muso wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 7:15pm:

Yadda wrote on Dec 27^th, 2012 at 8:24am:

Your 'function' here on OzPol is simply being an indistinct, irrelevant, 'reactive', 'bot', who is wasting storage bytes on FD's server.

SPOT,

Breathe in.

There, you managed to do something useful.

Maybe.

Does the word "mascot" have any bearing here? Grin

Whats the matter muso do you disagree with me too?

SOB

I've no idea if you breathed in or not.

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Reply #21 - Dec 28^th, 2012 at 9:50pm

..............'But i have no cause to hate 'religion' or God.

Life is, what life is.

Life has taught me [sometimes harshly] that it is in my own best interest, to seek after good choices, rather than accept [easy] poor choices.

Is that a bad philosophy ?

[If there is a God,] should i hate God, because my life has been sometimes difficult ?...........' - YADDA

Well thanks for that Yadda. I do understand what you are saying in the entirety of your post, and thats fine with me... I didn't have the greatest childhood either, ..but I chose another path in life..thats all.

I don't hate God..... how does one hate something that doesn't exist.?
IMO , and like I said - it is a personal thing...

I can't even say I hate religion, or religious... although I think the world would be better without them,, they are... Life is what Life is.

I don't go around actively preaching atheism however, and we all know what your views are regarding religion, more or less..

we have heard you... you are not preaching to people that really want to listen or should I say ''read" religious material everytime you enter a discussion. OK I speak for myself only....

Can you view life through any other prism?
There is LOTS to SEE.

Peace be with you.
May you find harmony...

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Reply #22 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 6:15pm

We all want, one way or another, what they used to call the 'brotherhood of man'. But that now sounds so archaic as to be unutterable. It is unutterable, except inside churches, because that's what religion is, the seeking after the final redemption of the brotherhood of man.

We can't utter it but we still all want it, one way or another, the brotherhood of man.

The problem with the asylum seekers is that people do not believe that most of them are genuine (I do not believe that most of them are genuine). So they are rejected because they are seen as exploiters of people's good will, of people's sense of obligation and desire for the brotherhood of man. That a lot of them are Muslims who expressly disdain the brotherhood of man doesn't help.

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Reply #23 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:40pm

Soren wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

The problem with the asylum seekers is that people do not believe that most of them are genuine (I do not believe that most of them are genuine). So they are rejected because they are seen as exploiters of people's good will, of people's sense of obligation and desire for the brotherhood of man. That a lot of them are Muslims who expressly disdain the brotherhood of man doesn't help.

Well I understand that virtually all Sri Lankan boat people are rejected, and that they are a growing proportion. Very few of them are Muslim. They tend to be Hindu. (Tamils)

I'm not entirely sure about the others but there are some persecuted minorities among the Afghans and the Iraqis at least. .

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Reply #24 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:39pm

and no doubt very soon we will find people from Myanmar risking their lives for a chance / ..at life.!!

They will also be treated in the same manner.
This is a sad sad thing.

Brotherhood of Man.???
Yep, thats been real good for the World, hasn't it?

Seems that many of the Sri Lankans arriving here, have been conned by the people smugglers, into thinking that Australia offers them good work.. IE they are not genuine refugees, they are people who come here looking to make money. Now no-one could blame them really, BUT, that means they are not 'refugees' as such... unlike many many people who arrive here by boat. That is substantiated by the number of people, who eventually, are granted immigration rights.
Sad it is also, that by then many are so damaged by the treatment they have endured, at our hands, that they can no longer participate in their new country, rather they become victims, and dependants of the State.

No, The Sri Lankans that are returned are just like the ones that fly in. and stay illegally, not legitimate. They bought into a big con, and are all now the worse off by mucho money.

Not genuine refugees, in other words. Frankly I fail to see how one's religious beliefs, have any bearing at all, on the refugee status.....
...but then my opinions aren't driven by fear.

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Reply #25 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:58pm

perhaps I should include an addendum. Sad

My very dearest and oldest friend, who has stood by me thru thick and thin..
is afraid.
She is so concerned by the influx of 'other' , particularly Moslems, that she told me she has had nightmares about her sons being stood up against a wall, and executed. Sad

She is the smartest, most caring person I have ever known, and it really hurts and concerns me to see what an impact this media sh*tstorm .(mainly) has had on her deepest instincts.

This whole thing we are facing is so much more than the surface would suggest... what I mean is.... it shows us all really... what a total clusterfck
WE have made of the life of our species ... Humans with so much potential.... remain rolling in the blood of our enemies, and their children.!!!!!!!!!

Of course, Climate change is another. I think we will find that our great Mother Earth, has had enough of us. And soon, relatively ... we will disappear...... a failed branch of life on Earth. Sad

Happy New Year...

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Reply #26 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:40am

Emma wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:58pm:

perhaps I should include an addendum. Sad

My very dearest and oldest friend, who has stood by me thru thick and thin..
is afraid.
She is so concerned by the influx of 'other' , particularly Moslems, that she told me she has had nightmares about her sons being stood up against a wall, and executed. Sad

She is the smartest, most caring person I have ever known, and it really hurts and concerns me to see what an impact this media sh*tstorm .(mainly) has had on her deepest instincts.

This whole thing we are facing is so much more than the surface would suggest... what I mean is.... it shows us all really... what a total clusterfck
WE have made of the life of our species ... Humans with so much potential.... remain rolling in the blood of our enemies, and their children.!!!!!!!!!

Of course, Climate change is another. I think we will find that our great Mother Earth, has had enough of us. And soon, relatively ... we will disappear...... a failed branch of life on Earth. Sad

Happy New Year...

Yes. It's a crazy situation. People are demonised just because of their religion. It's not the first time it has happened. Even in Australia, the Catholics were in teh same position 50 years ago.

Of course, a small minority of people will always take advantage of people because of their religions, and in the past, many people have followed the charge into war behind the cross or the crescent moon.

Boat people, some of whom are genuine refugees are demonised as Muslim terrorists, and we don't have a single politician who is prepared to stand up against populist hypocrisy. Muslims are the new "Reds under the bed", and some people are gullible enough to fall for that. The same principle of BS baffles brains applies to Climate Change.

I have friends throughout the world of many different worldviews and religions. They are just people like anybody else, trying to eke out a life for themselves.

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Reply #27 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:05am

muso wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:40am:

Emma wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:58pm:

perhaps I should include an addendum. Sad

My very dearest and oldest friend, who has stood by me thru thick and thin..
is afraid.
She is so concerned by the influx of 'other' , particularly Moslems, that she told me she has had nightmares about her sons being stood up against a wall, and executed. Sad

She is the smartest, most caring person I have ever known, and it really hurts and concerns me to see what an impact this media sh*tstorm .(mainly) has had on her deepest instincts.

This whole thing we are facing is so much more than the surface would suggest... what I mean is.... it shows us all really... what a total clusterfck
WE have made of the life of our species ... Humans with so much potential.... remain rolling in the blood of our enemies, and their children.!!!!!!!!!

Of course, Climate change is another. I think we will find that our great Mother Earth, has had enough of us. And soon, relatively ... we will disappear...... a failed branch of life on Earth. Sad

Happy New Year...

Yes. It's a crazy situation. People are demonised just because of their religion. It's not the first time it has happened. Even in Australia, the Catholics were in teh same position 50 years ago.

Of course, a small minority of people will always take advantage of people because of their religions, and in the past, many people have followed the charge into war behind the cross or the crescent moon.

Boat people, some of whom are genuine refugees are demonised as Muslim terrorists, and we don't have a single politician who is prepared to stand up against populist hypocrisy. Muslims are the new "Reds under the bed", and some people are gullible enough to fall for that. The same principle of BS baffles brains applies to Climate Change.

I have friends throughout the world of many different worldviews and religions. They are just people like anybody else, trying to eke out a life for themselves.

2 very good posts. I enjoyed both thank you.

The majority of peope still do not know that the majority of assylum seekers are not Muslim

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Reply #28 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:02pm

muso wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:40am:

Yes. It's a crazy situation. People are demonised just because of their religion. It's not the first time it has happened. Even in Australia, the Catholics were in teh same position 50 years ago.

This is a bit more than silly.

The Muslims demonise themselves by their behaviour. No Catholic (or Sikh or Buddhist or Jew or baptist or Pentecostal, etc, etc), now or 50 years ago, has gone around with a placard about beheading those who dis the pope or plotted jihad or kicked sand in lifesavers' faces and generally behaved like the Muslims.

It is a totally stupid reflex, cultivated by a lot of noice people, to witness the daily news for the past 20-30 years (not to mention the past 1000) and maintain that somehow the Muslims are not a different category.

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Reply #29 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 10:11pm

Too right, S.

I mean, the guy [muso] won't even admit that >> mainstream << ISLAM [in its own foundation texts], cultivates violence against those who reject ISLAM.

How 'tolerant' is that [...that >> mainstream << ISLAM, cultivates and encourages moslem violence and enmity [i.e. hatred] against those who reject ISLAM.] ?

ISLAM is a violent, fascist philosophy, that is the reality - and it is the truth.

Yet muso [and many other otherwise intelligent people] continue with the absurd proposition that the problem [with ISLAM] is only with a tiny minority of extremists.

That proposition is patently false.

Yet many people like muso will not acknowledge that fact.

muso,

Am i lying, about ISLAM ?

Do you truly believe, that i am i 'misrepresenting' what ISLAM encourages, in its followers ?

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This, is what >> mainstream << ISLAM cultivates, in its followers ---->

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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