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Reply #30 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:01pm
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:11pm:

muso,

Am i lying, about ISLAM ?

Do you truly believe, that i am i 'misrepresenting' what ISLAM encourages, in its followers ?





muso,

Many times here on OzPol, i have been accused of misrepresenting moslems and ISLAM.
[...despite the many evidences i have provided supporting my assessment/opinion.]

And people such as yourself would seem to accept that accusation of my misrepresenting of ISLAM and moslem intent ?



But, at the same time, people such as yourself, seem to view as it being inconceivable that it could be moslems, who are guilty of misrepresenting ISLAM, to those who are not moslems.

Q.
Why that dichotomy of thought ?

A.
There is a specific reason why you are following that path [....of mentally allowing one possibility [#1], but dismissing out of hand another possibility [#2], even though the 2nd possibility is supported by reasoned argument and many evidences].





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There is always a specific reason why a person follows a specific path.

Am i mistaken, muso ?       Wink


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #31 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:14pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 5:40am:
Yes. It's a crazy situation. People are demonised just because of their religion. It's not the first time it has happened.


KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 30 — Perak Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria today told non-Muslims who insist on using the word “Allah” to refer to their Gods to convert to Islam if they refused to accept that the word belongs only to Muslims.

The controversial cleric also accused the Christians community of intentionally provoking Muslims by pressing on with their demand to use “Allah” in their holy book.

“The matter is already in the (Islamic) enactments of every state, they’re provoking Muslims on purpose so Muslims will melatah (over-react),” Harussani  told The Malaysian Insider here.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/embrace-islam-if-you-want-to...

Non-muslims MAKE Muslims over-react, don't you know. Muslims are babies who cannot be held responsible for things like self-control. They are emotionally immature, insh'allah (can  say that?) You must respect that, dogs.

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Reply #32 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:27pm
 

The Bangladeshi atheist in London - he could not have said that out loud in Dhakka, that he is an atheist.

It makes you think. And having thought, you realise that more Islam means less freedom.

And having realised, you chose whether you want to support freedom or Islam because you can't do both.

But not wishing to seem intolerant, you can pretend to do both (knowing full well that you are  hypocrite for the sake of appearing tolerant).

This is the sort of hypocrisy Nanny Roxon would like to legislate, btw.




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Reply #33 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:31pm
 
Asylum Seekers Philosophy:


Seek a safe life for yourself and family and you may be rewarded with an environment where your children can flourish.

Asop.

Asylum Seekers Philosophy:



Always carry some spare plugs for the boat.
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Reply #34 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 9:13pm
 
That's good advice Dnarever..

Just can't seem to understand why the words Refugees, boat people... keep bringing up the  same old flotsam and jetsam... you know Grin
Soren ... Yadda.... Soren....Yadda.....Soren.....Yadda....who seem to think the word refugee = evil Muslim extremist....  makes ya wonder yeah??

And I'll substitute BLAH BLAH BLAH for YADDA, from now on..... 
at least thats more Oz then the yank vernacular  of Yadda ......Yadda ....Yadda.

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Reply #35 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 11:55pm
 
Emma wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 9:13pm:

Just can't seem to understand why the words Refugees, boat people... keep bringing up the  same old flotsam and jetsam... you know Grin

Soren ... Yadda.... Soren....Yadda.....Soren.....Yadda....who seem to think the word refugee = evil Muslim extremist....  makes ya wonder yeah??





There is no such thing as a 'moslem extremist'.

'A moslem', is a sufficient term.




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Dictionary;
refugee = = a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.




A FEW Q's...

If a moslem refugee needs to leave their country and find sanctuary, why does a moslem refugee need to travel half way around the world to find sanctuary ?

Why so, when there are many other moslem countries [Dar al-Islam - - 'The land(s) of Peace'] surrounding his country of origin ?

Why are moslem countries so unattractive to moslems, as places of sanctuary ?

Are moslem host countries so inhospitable to their fellow moslems ?

Why are moslem refugees unwelcome in potential moslem host countries ?

And why are infidel jurisdiction countries so attractive to moslems ?            [....when moslems universally declare that infidel jurisdictions are places of injustice, which they, moslems, claim that they despise ?]

And why does a moslem who has found sanctuary in another moslem country [e.g. Indonesia] need to leave that country, illegally ?






Moslem 'refugees' are patently, not coming to countries like Australia, because they need to seek refuge and sanctuary.

Patently not, because moslem refugees never travel, to Australia [and other 1st world countries], directly from their home country, but moslems always travel through a number of 3rd countries, before eventually embarking for Australian shores.

In some cases moslems will spend years, living within a 3rd country, and then leave that sanctuary, to travel to an infidel jurisdiction country.



Moslem 'refugees' are self declared moslems [i.e. they are people who have chosen to maintain their 'embrace' of a dangerous and violent philosophy, not unlike Nazism.     Google; similarity between islam and nazism]

The truth is that ISLAM is an evil philosophy, which, imo, creates a mental pathology [a 'sickness'] in the psyche of those human beings who choose to embrace it.     [n.b. moslems still have the 'wit' seek to escape the injustice and violence which ISLAM produces, but, after they escape its clutches, moslems cannot find it in themselves to renounce ISLAM.    Isaiah 26:10]

And no moslem who deeply embraces ISLAM can recognise or will acknowledge that truth - that ISLAM produces a mental pathology in the human psyche.

IMO, such people, i.e. 'unrepentant' moslems, should not be accepted as 'refugees' into countries like Australia.


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Reply #36 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 12:08am
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 11:55pm:

There is no such thing as a 'moslem extremist'.

'A moslem', is a sufficient term.






FOR EXAMPLE; Sayyid Qutb [below] was not a 'moslem extremist'.

Sayyid Qutb was a mainstream moslem academic.

Quote:

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."



ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......A moslem, promoting, justifying, ISLAM's murder of all humanity if necessary, to further the moslem Allah's cause.



Quote:
"Sayyid Qutb was an Egyptian author, educator, Islamist theorist, poet, and the leading member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood in the 1950s and '60s."




I would never refer to such a person, as a 'moslem extremist'.
/sarc off



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Reply #37 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:03am
 
Soren wrote on Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:27pm:
The Bangladeshi atheist in London - he could not have said that out loud in Dhakka, that he is an atheist.

It makes you think. And having thought, you realise that more Islam means less freedom.

And having realised, you chose whether you want to support freedom or Islam because you can't do both.

But not wishing to seem intolerant, you can pretend to do both (knowing full well that you are  hypocrite for the sake of appearing tolerant).

This is the sort of hypocrisy Nanny Roxon would like to legislate, btw.



You could say the same thing about Southern Baptists. Make it known that you're an atheist in many Southern USA towns and see what it does to your job prospects. Many religions come packaged with less freedom. If we had a country of 90% born again Christians, it would be a very scary place to live.  I don't support Islam any more than I support Christianity, but I definitely support freedom of religion.

By the way:

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/782/the_rise_of_atheism_in_pakistan

OK, it's a different country, but It doesn't seem to gel with your comment on the repression of atheists.
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Reply #38 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 12:33pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:03am:

......I don't support Islam any more than I support Christianity, but I definitely support freedom of religion.

By the way:

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/782/the_rise_of_atheism_in_pakistan




muso,

A very interesting article!
Thanks.i

muso......
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OK, it's a different country, but It doesn't seem to gel with your comment on the repression of atheists.





muso,

But, the statements of Hazrat Nakhuda in the article, don't nearly support your assertion, re Pakistan on the NON repression of atheists.

Quote:

G: How open are you about your view and your activities in Pakistan?

HN: Within my circle of friends I am very open. My family knows I don’t believe in God but they don’t know that I am in a leading role in such an organization. Obviously I use a pseudonym that alone should tell you how open I can be.

G: Would you say Atheism is on the increase in Pakistan?

HN: It is on the rise. Not as much as I hoped to but it is on the rise. There is a huge amount of closet atheists in Pakistan. For every member of the organization I get an email from five others telling me that they want to join but can’t.



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G: What are your plans for the future?

HN: Right now most Pakistanis aren’t even aware that there is an option to not believe in God; they don’t question the existence of God and generally don’t believe that Atheists exist. What is more, according to a Gallup poll, 78 percent of Pakistanis believe that a person who leaves Islam should be killed. And finally, Pakistan has very strict blasphemy laws. If I get to change these three things in my life time, I would die a happy man.





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Reply #39 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:09pm
 
hey blahblahblah .....this is about Asylum Seekers philosophy.

Now that can have at least two very different interpretations...

the 'philosophy ' held by Asylum Seekers... Roll Eyes
..which doesn't make sense to me..... as one would not exist.....

or

the 'philosophy' which dictates how Asylum seekers are managed in Australia , for example. 

Blahblahblah  ...you seem to be addressing the first, ludicrous interp.. 
I don't think you are able to reason with any clarity at all.... most definitely not when it comes to Moslems, and it's really tiresome.  YAWN.

NO offense Dnarever 
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Reply #40 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:15pm
 
Emma wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:09pm:
hey blahblahblah .....this is about Asylum Seekers philosophy.

Now that can have at least two very different interpretations...

the 'philosophy ' held by Asylum Seekers... Roll Eyes
..which doesn't make sense to me..... as one would not exist.....

or

the 'philosophy' which dictates how Asylum seekers are managed in Australia , for example. 

Blahblahblah  ...you seem to be addressing the first, ludicrous interp.. 
I don't think you are able to reason with any clarity at all.... most definitely not when it comes to Moslems, and it's really tiresome.  YAWN.

NO offense Dnarever 
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I agree with Kat (opps, I meant Emma, sorry) , it does get tiresome reading what these two put up over and over again ...  especially when you consider a large portion of asylum seekers are escaping from muslim countries because they subscribe to OTHER religions ... trying to make out all asylum seekers are muslim terrorists shows a complete lack of understanding of the real issues.
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Reply #41 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:25pm
 
thats OK JS.
Kat is pretty smart IMO, so I don't have a problem with your slip. Smiley
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