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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Theodore Roosevelt on poss Muslim liberalization Reply #30 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:49pm You're still not getting it Soren. No one is disputing the fact that the MB "seized" power (albeit democratically) - once the revolution had achieved the fall of the old regime. The point is, they did not cause the revolution. The revolution itself was not islamist - in Egypt or in Tunisia.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Theodore Roosevelt on poss Muslim liberalization Reply #31 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 3:52pm D'oh! Revolutions are messy things. By definition, they are not an orderly way of change. But as every schoolboy knows, and even you and PB, the MB has been the largest political organisation opposed to the regime in Egypt.
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Reply #32 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:

You're still not getting it Soren.

No one is disputing the fact that the MB "seized" power (albeit democratically) - once the revolution had achieved the fall of the old regime.

The point is, they did not cause the revolution. The revolution itself was not islamist - in Egypt or in Tunisia.

I'm sure it was for many reasons and one I'm really sure of was for islamist reasons. And it's really silly to think political parties don't have a role in organising protest rallies. Of course they do. One thing that is for absolute sure is that the poor old Egyptians are going to end up living in a bigger shitehole than when living under the old regime. Countries ruled by religious people just don't work.

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Reply #33 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:58pm

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

The 'Arab Spring' is a western journalistic formulation.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been planning to capture Egypt and the wider Islamic Arab world for almost a century. This has never been a secret to Egyptians and other Muslim Arabs, even if it is a surrprise to you and PB.
It has now succeeded in Egypt. Mosri has now greater dictatorial powers than Mubarak. Constitutionally.

Unless Egypt collapses economically and the generals take over, the Muslim Brotherhood is there to stay because there is no political alternative.
ANd the funny thing is that in the Islamic cointext, we are lucky that it is not the mad mullahs or the crazy warlords and Talibs who have taken over the place. Islamists in suits are still preferable to Islamists in pyjamas.

I couldn’t agree more, old chap. I think the new Egyptian president is very smart.

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Reply #34 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 11:09am:

The 'Arab Spring' is a western journalistic formulation.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been planning to capture Egypt and the wider Islamic Arab world for almost a century. This has never been a secret to Egyptians and other Muslim Arabs, even if it is a surrprise to you and PB.
It has now succeeded in Egypt. Mosri has now greater dictatorial powers than Mubarak. Constitutionally.

Unless Egypt collapses economically and the generals take over, the Muslim Brotherhood is there to stay because there is no political alternative.
ANd the funny thing is that in the Islamic cointext, we are lucky that it is not the mad mullahs or the crazy warlords and Talibs who have taken over the place. Islamists in suits are still preferable to Islamists in pyjamas.

I couldn’t agree more, old chap. I think the new Egyptian president is very smart.

Donna Karen tie, 1 point. Calvin Klein glasses, 2 points. Hugo Boss suit, 3 points.

Unassilable dictatorial powers guaranteed by the constitution - priceless.

Caliphate, innit?

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96660	Re: Theodore Roosevelt on poss Muslim liberalization Reply #35 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 8:48pm Don’t worry, old chap. That little "Spring" will turn into Winter before long. Do you think we’d let a bunch of children run an oil-rich country that just happens to border the Suez Canal?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Theodore Roosevelt on poss Muslim liberalization Reply #36 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 9:03pm Yes, the Muslims are the George Costanza of the world - they'll never get the upper hand. They have no hand.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96660	Re: Theodore Roosevelt on poss Muslim liberalization Reply #37 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 10:08pm Muslims? Good God, no. I was referring to pluralists.
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Reply #38 - Jan 12^th, 2013 at 11:17pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 8:48pm:

Don’t worry, old chap. That little "Spring" will turn into Winter before long. Do you think we’d let a bunch of children run an oil-rich country that just happens to border the Suez Canal?

It's all your fault, PB.

Gay and left-wingers conspire against Egyptian society

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96660	Re: Theodore Roosevelt on poss Muslim liberalization Reply #39 - Jan 13^th, 2013 at 10:51am Thinking of moving to Egypt are we, old chap?
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