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Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:01pm
 
Richard Parncutt,  Professor of Systematic Musicology, University of Graz, Austria, reckons people like Watts, Tallbloke, Singer, Michaels, Monckton, McIntyre and me (there are too many to list) should be executed. He’s gone full barking mad, and though he says these are his “personal opinions” they are listed on his university web site.

For all the bleating of those who say they’ve had real “death threats“, we get discussions about executing skeptics from Professors, wielding the tyrannical power of the state. Was he paid by the state to write these simplistic, immature, “solutions”? Do taxpayers fund his web expenses? (And what the heck is systematic musicology?)

Prof Richard Parncutt says:


“I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases…”

“Even mass murderers [like Breivik] should not be executed, in my opinion.”

“GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.”

Consequences

If a jury of suitably qualified scientists estimated that a given GW denier had already, with high probability (say 95%), caused the deaths of over one million future people, then s/he would be sentenced to death. The sentence would then be commuted to life imprisonment if the accused admitted their mistake, demonstrated genuine regret, AND participated significantly and positively over a long period in programs to reduce the effects of GW (from jail) – using much the same means that were previously used to spread the message of denial. At the end of that process, some GW deniers would never admit their mistake and as a result they would be executed. Perhaps that would be the only way to stop the rest of them. The death penalty would have been justified in terms of the enormous numbers of saved future lives.

Recant you foolish deniers or we’ll kill you! Yeah. Welcome to modern scientific debate.

Who should die? Anyone named on Desmog:


Much more would have happened by now if not for the GW deniers. An amazing number of people still believe that GW is a story made up by scientists with ulterior motives. For a long list of climate change deniers and their stories see desmogblog.

So the denier database becomes the “death list”. The list decided by PR experts on a funded smear site, who profit from marketing Green corporations.

But it’s ok, he includes a caveat where he says he didn’t say what I quoted above, so he can later pretend he isn’t discussing real deaths of real people:


Please note that I am not directly suggesting that the threat of execution be carried out. I am simply presenting a logical argument. I am neither a politician nor a lawyer. I am just thinking aloud about an important problem.

And we all feel so much better don’t we?

But seriously, Global warming deniers are the worst vermin on the face of the Earth, worse than holocaust deniers, tobacco deniers and worse than someone who bombs buildings and shoots children en masse:


I don’t think that mass murderers of the usual kind, such Breivik, should face the death penalty. Nor do I think tobacco denialists are guilty enough to warrant the death penalty, in spite of the enormous number of deaths that resulted more or less directly from tobacco denialism. GW is different. With high probability it will cause hundreds of millions of deaths. For this reason I propose that the death penalty is appropriate for influential GW deniers.

Here’s how the deadly reasoning goes

How does he know we are facing disaster?

He knows, because he’s read a blog that pretends to be scientific and it says so. The same site resorts to ad homs, and kindergarden namecalling (like “denier” and “Christie Crocks”) and is debunked all over the internet, but the Prof is too poorly trained in reasoning to spot the cheap tricks, and he didn’t think to search for “SkepticalScience debunked”. Oops.

His killer “maths” (if you could call it that)


… given the inherent uncertainty surrounding climatic predictions, even exaggerated accounts must be considered possible, albeit with a low probability. Consider this: If ten million people are going to die with a probability of 10%, that is like one million people dying with a probability of 100%.

He repeats this:


For the purpose of argument, let’s give the GW deniers the benefit of the doubt and imagine that the scientists are wrong with a high probability, say 90%. If they are right, some 100 million people will die as a direct result of GW. Probably more like a billion, but this is a conservative estimate. If the probability of that happening is only 10%, then effectively “only” 10 million people will die. These are the numbers that GW deniers are playing with while exercising their “freedom of speech”.

So even if “Deniers” are right, they are still murderous and should still be executed. Ooo-K

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/death-threats-anyone-austrian-prof-global-warming-deniers-should-be-sentenced-to-death/
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Reply #1 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:04pm
 
You wouldn't need to execute them all - after the first few dozen the rest would become believers.
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Reply #2 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:11pm
 
the original article.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rqQOIJaq-HkJ:www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Reply #3 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:14pm
 
Quote:
“GW deniers fall into a completely different category from Behring Breivik. They are already causing the deaths of hundreds of millions of future people. We could be speaking of billions, but I am making a conservative estimate.”

Yep. And they don't even care.
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Reply #4 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 7:54pm
 
What should we do with the members of the doomsday cult going by the disguise of AGW believers.
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Reply #5 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 8:52pm
 
The Professor (cough cough) seems to be pretty tough on people who hold different views.
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Reply #6 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:04pm
 
salad in wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 8:52pm:
The Professor (cough cough) seems to be pretty tough on people who hold different views.


When those unfounded and unreasonable different views may be responsible for the deth of billions I can see his argument even if I dont fully agree.
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Reply #7 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:08pm
 
Ha ha professor of "Systematic Musicology"????

Who is he?  The Pied Piper? Cheesy



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Reply #8 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:28pm
 
Deniers who purposely propagate doubt to deliberately delay action for personal gain or political influence are loathsome. They will be judged harshly by history. I'm pretty sure you dont belong to this group, goldie. The prof. seems to be engaging in some sort of intellectual exercise of moral relativity. Not really sure what he is trying to achieve, besides feed some twisted proanoias.
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Reply #9 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:44pm
 
MOTR wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Deniers who purposely propagate doubt to deliberately delay action for personal gain or political influence are loathsome.


Sub in 'Alarmists' 4 'Deniers' and you would be more accurate... Sad
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Reply #10 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:51pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
salad in wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 8:52pm:
The Professor (cough cough) seems to be pretty tough on people who hold different views.


When those unfounded and unreasonable different views may be responsible for the deth of billions I can see his argument even if I dont fully agree.


you've probably never made a more despicable yet incredibly revealing comment. I says much about you - all of it bad.
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Reply #11 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:53pm
 
MOTR wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Deniers who purposely propagate doubt to deliberately delay action for personal gain or political influence are loathsome. They will be judged harshly by history. I'm pretty sure you dont belong to this group, goldie. The prof. seems to be engaging in some sort of intellectual exercise of moral relativity. Not really sure what he is trying to achieve, besides feed some twisted proanoias.


dont be so gentle. the guy is an absolute douche worthy of nothing but contempt by EITHER side. while you often criticise the morals (and why??) of sceptics, none go this far.
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Reply #12 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:59pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
salad in wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 8:52pm:
The Professor (cough cough) seems to be pretty tough on people who hold different views.


When those unfounded and unreasonable different views may be responsible for the deth of billions I can see his argument even if I dont fully agree.


so when in 10 years times the proof that ACC is a fraud is finally undeniable will you be calling for the execution of the IPCC and other scientists who have by their fraud diverted huge funding from projects to improve the world?

no, of course not. by then you will have 'always been' a sceptic.
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Reply #13 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 11:01pm
 
MOTR wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Deniers who purposely propagate doubt to deliberately delay action for personal gain or political influence are loathsome. They will be judged harshly by history. I'm pretty sure you dont belong to this group, goldie. The prof. seems to be engaging in some sort of intellectual exercise of moral relativity. Not really sure what he is trying to achieve, besides feed some twisted proanoias.


and who the hell are they?? people who say ACC is crap because they actually believe it? or is it this rather mythical oil company connection that you get steamed over depsite the fact that the majority of highly visible sceptics are not.
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Reply #14 - Dec 26th, 2012 at 11:17pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 11:01pm:
MOTR wrote on Dec 26th, 2012 at 10:28pm:
Deniers who purposely propagate doubt to deliberately delay action for personal gain or political influence are loathsome. They will be judged harshly by history. I'm pretty sure you dont belong to this group, goldie. The prof. seems to be engaging in some sort of intellectual exercise of moral relativity. Not really sure what he is trying to achieve, besides feed some twisted proanoias.


and who the hell are they?? people who say ACC is crap because they actually believe it? or is it this rather mythical oil company connection that you get steamed over depsite the fact that the majority of highly visible sceptics are not.


It's quite obvious people like Monckton are deliberately peddling mistruths. Even when it is clearly shown to him that he is wrong he continues to peddle the same fabrication. He is a most odious man.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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