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Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 11:19am
 
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But i can still guarantee, that the first person who constructed a cart [with an axle and two wheels] and then took his/her produce to market on his/her cart [instead of on his/her back], STARTED A TREND IN CART MAKING.



Without doubt Yadda. Who wouldn't jump on a good idea?
Before the days of patents, the idea was most probably usurped leaving the originator with little or no credit.
The focus of the inventer may or may not have been to outdo his/her peers. I'd say not.

The point is: There is a difference between those who focus on making themselves a person of importance to those who focus on what is important.

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Reply #16 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 12:24pm
 
Amadd wrote on Jan 2nd, 2013 at 10:25pm:
That's all very fluffy MM, but most advances in societies come from the unsung heroes who demand no credit.

Behold the leaders who charge from the rear.


Well, many geniuses are only recognized posthumously, so I agree with the point about getting little credit. But nobility of spirit ought to sound "fluffy" to many people. Imposing form on the chaos of passions one is, is a very esoteric endeavour. Marshalling all the wayward drives, passions, instincts, and desires one has and forging them into an ideal is for the very few. 


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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:34pm
 
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His name was Septimus R. Wheel.


Hmm.. I reckon it most probably originated in China by the first ever hoon named Long Wee Lee.
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Reply #18 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:37pm
 
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Imposing form on the chaos of passions one is, is a very esoteric endeavour. Marshalling all the wayward drives, passions, instincts, and desires one has and forging them into an ideal is for the very few. 


Very few indeed.
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Reply #19 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 7:39am
 
Amadd wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:37pm:
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Imposing form on the chaos of passions one is, is a very esoteric endeavour. Marshalling all the wayward drives, passions, instincts, and desires one has and forging them into an ideal is for the very few. 


Very few indeed.






Every last one of us is defeated by our nature, to some degree.

We are all [to some degree] defeated by our passions, and by [our 'love' of] 'the world'.

It could be said that;
Though [in this life] we may come to possess many things, it is our possessions which possess us [...and make us the slaves].

And yet, in the wider measure of the struggle against our baser nature, we find that the expression of the measure of that 'struggle' is surely another normal distribution curve.
i.e.
most of us give up 'the struggle', but some of us continue to seek to improve ourselves - against our nature.
but after our 'surrender', most of us do not spend a single moment to consider the implications [upon us] of our 'bondage'.


IMAGE...
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A normal distribution curve








We are all defeated by our 'care', for what the temporal world can 'give' us.

But imo, to be aware that we are defeated by the world, can be regarded in itself as a small personal victory.

Our love of the temporal, is a vanity [i.e. foolishness].

To come to that knowledge is at least something, imo.



Dictionary;
temporal = =
1 of or relating to time.
2 relating to worldly affairs; secular.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 8:04am
 
Is God being 'naughty' ?           Wink            Tongue

What if this 'life' is a 'fixed' card game ? !!!!              Cry






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"What if 'this life' is a fixed game?

i.e.
What if we can't 'win',
...on purpose!"



Religion: A 21stC anachronism or mans salvation?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1303676733/207#207

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Reply #21 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 10:14am
 
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What if this 'life' is a 'fixed' card game ? !!!!             


We are all defeated by our 'care', for what the temporal world can 'give' us.

But imo, to be aware that we are defeated by the world, can be regarded in itself as a small personal victory.

Our love of the temporal, is a vanity [i.e. foolishness].

To come to that knowledge is at least something, imo.




In a way I suppose it is a fixed game.

Everybody has to rise above their fears and their "Coonbies"(Coonbe fkuced that is) at least to some extent.
For some, just holding a spider on their palm is facing their greatest fear, for others it's something else.

As a kid I used to have regular nightmares about being in an air disaster, but it didn't stop me from getting on planes, and now I love flying them myself.
I hope it's not a self-fulfilling prophecy  Shocked
But still, there's many more fears which I haven't faced.

You might say that facing your fears is going against your nature. Or is it?
Most especially for young blokes 18-25, it's completely natural...it's in the genes you might say. We may not have survived as a species if this weren't so.

So what made us like this in the first place? Was it God, or did we survive because of the random chance of how our species just happened to develop?

I already know your answer and I think you know mine  Grin






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Reply #22 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 6:48pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 10:06am:
But i can still guarantee, that the first person who constructed a cart [with an axle and two wheels] and then took his/her produce to market on his/her cart [instead of on his/her back], STARTED A TREND IN CART MAKING.



Well what really happened was that the head priests  of the tribe noticed the cart and cornered him and found out exactly how he did it. THey then spread the word among the other villagers that the inventor was using the devil's magic. They then persuaded  the villagers to burn him at the stake for being a heretic.

Several years later, the priests started making carts according to the holy laws, and all the appropriate sacrifices and prayers to their God, and started selling the sanctified carts (guaranteed demon free) to the villagers for an elevated price (then measured in mammoth meat of course)

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Reply #23 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 9:35pm
 
muso wrote on Jan 5th, 2013 at 6:48pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 10:06am:
But i can still guarantee, that the first person who constructed a cart [with an axle and two wheels] and then took his/her produce to market on his/her cart [instead of on his/her back], STARTED A TREND IN CART MAKING.



Well what really happened was that the head priests  of the tribe noticed the cart and cornered him and found out exactly how he did it. THey then spread the word among the other villagers that the inventor was using the devil's magic. They then persuaded  the villagers to burn him at the stake for being a heretic.

Several years later, the priests started making carts according to the holy laws, and all the appropriate sacrifices and prayers to their God, and started selling the sanctified carts (guaranteed demon free) to the villagers for an elevated price (then measured in mammoth meat of course)

Tongue



Grin

The evil of manipulation of man[kind], by religion/priests,    ...according to muso.

Yes ?




Are you going to write a treatise muso ???       Tongue       Wink


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Reply #24 - Jan 5th, 2013 at 10:49pm
 
No. I'll settle for rattling your cage now and then.
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Reply #25 - Jan 12th, 2013 at 8:03am
 
The current predicament of postmodernity.

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Reply #26 - Jan 12th, 2013 at 9:49am
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the human species evolving into potato-like mutants.
We can genetically build whatever is necessary or desirable.

The bigger problem may be when super-babies start being made to order. There's a little bit of Hitler within every parent.

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Reply #27 - Jan 12th, 2013 at 10:32am
 
It would be interesting to see if 'genetically modified humans' would lead to a culture of vigour and vitality. I have my reservations because 'experience' is key tool in a noble life. Being genetically modified might prepare you for overcoming hardship and pain, but you need the actual physical/mental experience of struggle to enhance your resistance to pain and hardship. Being simply genetically prepared you wouldn't have a wealth of experience to draw on. So, the socio-political climate needs to be one of high tension and resistance.
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