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Question: With maqqas information, what is the % of illegals to Aust
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100%    
  2 (40.0%)
99.9%    
  1 (20.0%)
98%    
  0 (0.0%)
90%    
  1 (20.0%)
88%    
  0 (0.0%)
80%    
  1 (20.0%)
79%    
  0 (0.0%)
101%    
  0 (0.0%)




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Article 31 UN Refugee Convention - read it!! (Read 3364 times)
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Article 31 UN Refugee Convention - read it!!
Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:54am
 
Article 31
Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees
restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions
shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized
or they
obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow
such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain
admission into another country.
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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:57am
 
Sorry, can you elaborate - did you need us to read it FOR YOU? Perhaps then you'll know which parts to actually highlight? Grin Dummy!!!!
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Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:58am
 
Sub-section 2 is why they are detained!!

The asylum status is what they are applying for.

Until such time they are regularised/approved they are locked up!!

Note the words "coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened"

I was not aware that Malaysia was threatening their life or freedom
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Reply #3 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:02am
 
So mandatory detention is tolerated under the UN Convention on Refugees. Tell us something we didn't know, Maqqa.
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Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:03am
 
So no discussion of the facts from the left other than personal abuse

You morons demand primary evidence - we provide references and you run away

(1) UN Refugee Convention

(2) Migration Act


Where the bl00dy hell are you???!!
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Reply #5 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:04am
 
MOTR wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:02am:
So mandatory detention is tolerated under the UN Convention on Refugees. Tell us something we didn't know, Maqqa.



I am glad you guys have finally realised
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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:07am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:58am:
Sub-section 2 is why they are detained!!

The asylum status is what they are applying for.

Until such time they are regularised/approved they are locked up!!

Note the words "coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened"

I was not aware that Malaysia was threatening their life or freedom


Malaysia is not signitory to the refugee convention. Malaysia doe not recognise any refugee rights, especially the right to work.  So, yes they are threatening to their life and freedom.  WHAT A DUMMY! Grin Grin Grin

As for Section 31, it clearly states that only restrictions that are necessary be applied.  Nauru is necessary for refugee processing? Says who?  Also all facilities will be provided that are necessary - and yet they live in tents and you have another thread out talking about how the conditions are bugger**.  and the restrictions will be for a reasonable time.  5 years is not reasonable time.

This is why, dummy, you need to read AND COMPREHEND, before posting garbage. You are such a dummy!!!
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Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:24am
 
awWWWWWWWWWW dummy ran away again. Sad
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Reply #8 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 4:41pm
 
Maqqa...maybe you should have read it before you posted it  Grin
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Reply #9 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 4:56pm
 
This thread proves it..Maqqa is just like Tony Abbott coz he punches like a girl

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Reply #10 - Dec 28th, 2012 at 6:45pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:07am:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:58am:
Sub-section 2 is why they are detained!!

The asylum status is what they are applying for.

Until such time they are regularised/approved they are locked up!!

Note the words "coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened"

I was not aware that Malaysia was threatening their life or freedom


Malaysia is not signitory to the refugee convention. Malaysia doe not recognise any refugee rights, especially the right to work.  So, yes they are threatening to their life and freedom.  WHAT A DUMMY! Grin Grin Grin

As for Section 31, it clearly states that only restrictions that are necessary be applied.  Nauru is necessary for refugee processing? Says who?  Also all facilities will be provided that are necessary - and yet they live in tents and you have another thread out talking about how the conditions are bugger**.  and the restrictions will be for a reasonable time.  5 years is not reasonable time.

This is why, dummy, you need to read AND COMPREHEND, before posting garbage. You are such a dummy!!!


Correct - Malaysia is NOT a signatory to the UNHCR. However, our inept federal government was more than willing to send people to that country. Yes, Nauru wasn't a signatory during the Pacific Solution, but nor did they inflict corporal punishment on detainees either - unlike Malaysia's use of the cane.

As for Section 31, what is the problem? We can't have people wandering the countryside when we don't have any idea who they are. That's why they are detained and their identity and background checked. As far as living conditions go, while it isn't Club Med, it's not a UNHCR refugee camp in Ethiopia where disease is rife, sanitation unheard of, danger of camps being attacked exists daily and the accomodation is generaly whatever you can find to put over your head unless you're lucky to get what the UN charitably describes as a tent. They are nothing but thin nylon on a flexible frame, whereas the Australian tents are made from strong canvas and are well ventilated. The tents supplied by our Army in which detainees are accomodated is luxurious by comparison to UN tents.

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sir prince duke alevine wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:07am:
Malaysia is not signitory to the refugee convention. Malaysia doe not recognise any refugee rights, especially the right to work.  So, yes they are threatening to their life and freedom.  WHAT A DUMMY! Grin Grin Grin

As for Section 31, it clearly states that only restrictions that are necessary be applied.  Nauru is necessary for refugee processing? Says who?  Also all facilities will be provided that are necessary - and yet they live in tents and you have another thread out talking about how the conditions are bugger**.  and the restrictions will be for a reasonable time.  5 years is not reasonable time.

This is why, dummy, you need to read AND COMPREHEND, before posting garbage. You are such a dummy!!!


I was not referring to Malaysia d1ckhead

As for who determines if Nauru is necessary or not - if you actually read it does not regulate WHERE. Therefore Australia can do as it pleases.

Section 2 also said if you don't like the way we process you - bugger off

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.....or they obtain admission into another country.


As for the reasonable time - once again that's up to Australia. If the UN thinks it's unfair then change the UN Convention.
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adelcrow wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 4:41pm:
Maqqa...maybe you should have read it before you posted it  Grin



I have read it and all alevine has done is try to divert the conversation to how Malaysia is handling the situation

So maybe you should stfu
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Reply #13 - Dec 29th, 2012 at 6:56am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 9:54am:
Article 31
Refugees unlawfully in the country of refugee

1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their
illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory
where their life or freedom was threatened
in the sense of article 1, enter or
are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present
themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their
illegal entry or presence.

2. The Contracting States shall not apply to the movements of such refugees
restrictions other than those which are necessary and such restrictions
shall only be applied until their status in the country is regularized
or they
obtain admission into another country. The Contracting States shall allow
such refugees a reasonable period and all the necessary facilities to obtain
admission into another country.



So what part don't you understand?

In sub clause 1 it states in part

coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened

Now tell us how many countries between Afghanistan/Iran/Iraq have sign the UN Refugee Convention

You do know that a country that hasn't sign the UN Refugee Convention that they can sent a person back to where they come even if they claim asylum in that country.


Now why do you think that the Liberal Party policy on asylum seekers would stop asylum seeker coming to Australia?
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Reply #14 - Dec 29th, 2012 at 7:51am
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 28th, 2012 at 10:03am:
So no discussion of the facts from the left other than personal abuse

You morons demand primary evidence - we provide references and you run away

(1) UN Refugee Convention

(2) Migration Act


Where the bl00dy hell are you???!!

So in actual fact, we dont have any/many actual refugees.

Well that makes the discussion easy.

We have illegal entrants, mostly, if not all illegals.
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