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Reply #15 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:03am

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 7:51am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 28^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

So no discussion of the facts from the left other than personal abuse

You morons demand primary evidence - we provide references and you run away

(1) UN Refugee Convention

(2) Migration Act

Where the bl00dy hell are you???!!

So in actual fact, we dont have any/many actual refugees.

Well that makes the discussion easy.

We have illegal entrants, mostly, if not all illegals.

That's the crux of it prog

Article 31 sect 1 provides for someone to obtain safety by crossing the border of the NEAREST country

In the current situation - a Sri Lankan on a boat claiming asylum is unlikely to be claiming asylum seeking. If they are truly escaping danger then step across the border of the NEAREST country rather get on a boat from Malaysia

So asylum seekers to Australia either apply at an Aust Embassy overseas or they have to deliberately get to a smuggling point to get on a boat to get to Aust.

Once you get to a smuggling point - your asylum claim is really no longer valid because you are already safe!!

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Reply #16 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:31am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 7:51am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 28^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

So no discussion of the facts from the left other than personal abuse

You morons demand primary evidence - we provide references and you run away

(1) UN Refugee Convention

(2) Migration Act

Where the bl00dy hell are you???!!

So in actual fact, we dont have any/many actual refugees.

Well that makes the discussion easy.

We have illegal entrants, mostly, if not all illegals.

That's the crux of it prog

Article 31 sect 1 provides for someone to obtain safety by crossing the border of the NEAREST country

In the current situation - a Sri Lankan on a boat claiming asylum is unlikely to be claiming asylum seeking. If they are truly escaping danger then step across the border of the NEAREST country rather get on a boat from Malaysia

So asylum seekers to Australia either apply at an Aust Embassy overseas or they have to deliberately get to a smuggling point to get on a boat to get to Aust.

Once you get to a smuggling point - your asylum claim is really no longer valid because you are already safe!!

Given that Hockey burst into tears about sending Asylum seekers back to Malaysia and the coalition said it was wrong to send asylum seekers back there how is it considered safe?

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Article 31 UN Refugee Convention - read it!! Reply #17 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:34am adelcrow wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:31am: Given that Hockey burst into tears about sending Asylum seekers back to Malaysia and the coalition said it was wrong to send asylum seekers back there how is it considered safe? This situation was created by Labor - so ask them about it
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Reply #18 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:36am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

Given that Hockey burst into tears about sending Asylum seekers back to Malaysia and the coalition said it was wrong to send asylum seekers back there how is it considered safe?

This situation was created by Labor - so ask them about it

Your the one saying Malaysia is a safe place for asylum seekers despite the Opposition saying that it isn't.

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Reply #19 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:40am

adelcrow wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

Given that Hockey burst into tears about sending Asylum seekers back to Malaysia and the coalition said it was wrong to send asylum seekers back there how is it considered safe?

This situation was created by Labor - so ask them about it

Your the one saying Malaysia is a safe place for asylum seekers despite the Opposition saying that it isn't.

You are the true tip and no iceberg

I was referring to the act of asylum seeking

Once they have set foot in a country that removes the danger they were escaping from then that country assumes the asylum responsibility or process them to a third country (as per Article 31)

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Reply #20 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

That's the crux of it prog

Article 31 sect 1 provides for someone to obtain safety by crossing the border of the NEAREST country

In the current situation - a Sri Lankan on a boat claiming asylum is unlikely to be claiming asylum seeking. If they are truly escaping danger then step across the border of the NEAREST country rather get on a boat from Malaysia

So asylum seekers to Australia either apply at an Aust Embassy overseas or they have to deliberately get to a smuggling point to get on a boat to get to Aust.

Once you get to a smuggling point - your asylum claim is really no longer valid because you are already safe!!

Listen stupid I will type this slowly so even you can understand it

A Sri Lankan jumps on a boat and goes to Malaysia or Indonesia and gets on a boat to come to Australia to seek asylum.

Do you know why they don't claim asylum in Malaysia or Indonesia is because those countries HAVE NOT SIGN THE UN REFUGEE CONVENTION and so they are not safe countries for refugees

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Reply #21 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:46am

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

That's the crux of it prog

Article 31 sect 1 provides for someone to obtain safety by crossing the border of the NEAREST country

In the current situation - a Sri Lankan on a boat claiming asylum is unlikely to be claiming asylum seeking. If they are truly escaping danger then step across the border of the NEAREST country rather get on a boat from Malaysia

So asylum seekers to Australia either apply at an Aust Embassy overseas or they have to deliberately get to a smuggling point to get on a boat to get to Aust.

Once you get to a smuggling point - your asylum claim is really no longer valid because you are already safe!!

Listen stupid I will type this slowly so even you can understand it

A Sri Lankan jumps on a boat and goes to Malaysia or Indonesia and gets on a boat to come to Australia to seek asylum.

Do you know why they don't claim asylum in Malaysia or Indonesia is because those countries HAVE NOT SIGN THE UN REFUGEE CONVENTION and so they are not safe countries for refugees

Listen moron

So what if they have not signed the Convention?

What does that mean?

Just because they didn't sign it does not mean they don't or can't take in asylum seekers

There are hundreds of thousands in camps in both countries that signifies they will take them in

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Reply #22 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:51am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:31am:

Given that Hockey burst into tears about sending Asylum seekers back to Malaysia and the coalition said it was wrong to send asylum seekers back there how is it considered safe?

This situation was created by Labor - so ask them about it

Your the one saying Malaysia is a safe place for asylum seekers despite the Opposition saying that it isn't.

You are the true tip and no iceberg

I was referring to the act of asylum seeking

Once they have set foot in a country that removes the danger they were escaping from then that country assumes the asylum responsibility or process them to a third country (as per Article 31)

You are saying that once they land in a safe country they are no longer refugees despite the Coalition shedding tears for the plight of asylum seekers landing in Malaysia and refusing to send them back there because they consider it unsafe.
You really need to make up your mind ..is the Coalition right about Malaysia and the safety of asylum seekers there or not?

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Reply #24 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:02am

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

That's the crux of it prog

Article 31 sect 1 provides for someone to obtain safety by crossing the border of the NEAREST country

In the current situation - a Sri Lankan on a boat claiming asylum is unlikely to be claiming asylum seeking. If they are truly escaping danger then step across the border of the NEAREST country rather get on a boat from Malaysia

So asylum seekers to Australia either apply at an Aust Embassy overseas or they have to deliberately get to a smuggling point to get on a boat to get to Aust.

Once you get to a smuggling point - your asylum claim is really no longer valid because you are already safe!!

Listen stupid I will type this slowly so even you can understand it

A Sri Lankan jumps on a boat and goes to Malaysia or Indonesia and gets on a boat to come to Australia to seek asylum.

Do you know why they don't claim asylum in Malaysia or Indonesia is because those countries HAVE NOT SIGN THE UN REFUGEE CONVENTION and so they are not safe countries for refugees

Listen moron

So what if they have not signed the Convention?

What does that mean?

Just because they didn't sign it does not mean they don't or can't take in asylum seekers

There are hundreds of thousands in camps in both countries that signifies they will take them in

Listen Stupid if a refugee ask for asylum in a country that hasn't sign the UN Refugee Convention they are class as illegal immigrant and get deported back to their home country.

Just because refugees ask for asylum in a country that hasn't sign the convention doesn't make them a legal immigrant

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Reply #25 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:05am

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:02am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:46am:

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 9:03am:

That's the crux of it prog

Article 31 sect 1 provides for someone to obtain safety by crossing the border of the NEAREST country

In the current situation - a Sri Lankan on a boat claiming asylum is unlikely to be claiming asylum seeking. If they are truly escaping danger then step across the border of the NEAREST country rather get on a boat from Malaysia

So asylum seekers to Australia either apply at an Aust Embassy overseas or they have to deliberately get to a smuggling point to get on a boat to get to Aust.

Once you get to a smuggling point - your asylum claim is really no longer valid because you are already safe!!

Listen stupid I will type this slowly so even you can understand it

A Sri Lankan jumps on a boat and goes to Malaysia or Indonesia and gets on a boat to come to Australia to seek asylum.

Do you know why they don't claim asylum in Malaysia or Indonesia is because those countries HAVE NOT SIGN THE UN REFUGEE CONVENTION and so they are not safe countries for refugees

Listen moron

So what if they have not signed the Convention?

What does that mean?

Just because they didn't sign it does not mean they don't or can't take in asylum seekers

There are hundreds of thousands in camps in both countries that signifies they will take them in

Listen Stupid if a refugee ask for asylum in a country that hasn't sign the UN Refugee Convention they are class as illegal immigrant and get deported back to their home country.

Just because refugees ask for asylum in a country that hasn't sign the convention doesn't make them a legal immigrant

AHH But they can still apply Wink

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Reply #26 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:58am

John S wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:02am:

Listen Stupid if a refugee ask for asylum in a country that hasn't sign the UN Refugee Convention they are class as illegal immigrant and get deported back to their home country.

Just because refugees ask for asylum in a country that hasn't sign the convention doesn't make them a legal immigrant

You just don't get tired of being wrong

The UN Convention provides a guideline for countries who sign up to it to follow. The signatory country can also walk away from it anytime they want to

Those who do not sign it - can still use the guidelines.

Under the Aust Migration Act these people are classified as ILLEGAL as well even though Aust has signed up to the UN Convention - so what's your point?

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Reply #27 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 11:08am

FRED. wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:05am:

AHH But they can still apply Wink

They can apply in ANY country FRED

The UN Convention is simply a guideline and anyone can walk away from it if they want to (Article 44)

Those who signed up to the UN Convention uses the guidelines provided by this Convention

Those who have not - have their own guidelines, laws and regulations.

Generally countries will have their own laws that further expands the guidelines provided by the Convention

Leftards will tell you that the the UN Refugee Convention is the be all and end all. But in fact this is a myth. It serves as a guideline and the refugee or asylum seeker is required to obey the law of the land to which they find themselves - otherwise they can bugger off (Article 31 s.2)

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Article 2
Every refugee has duties to the country in which he finds himself, which require in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59082 Here Gender:	Re: Article 31 UN Refugee Convention - read it!! Reply #28 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 6:57pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 29^th, 2012 at 10:02am: Why not just ignore the convention? France does routinely. Nobody has an issue with it. In 2008 France recieved 35,000 refugees.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Article 31 UN Refugee Convention - read it!! Reply #29 - Dec 29^th, 2012 at 7:11pm So what do you think, with the UN information maqqa provided, are actual legal vs illegals. 99.9% illegals? 99% illegals?
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