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Reply #90 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Co2 increases in the atmospher is primarily from pumping Co2 into the atmosphere? How is this the effect and not the cause?

What do you believe is the cause of this effect - Increased Co2 levels in the atmosphere?

Obviously its not from the millions of litres we pump into the atmosphere each week.

This is a dumb argument to try and make.

It has been the effect at all times in history. Making it come out quicker than the past does not somehow start making it the cause.

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Reply #91 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:06pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Co2 increases in the atmospher is primarily from pumping Co2 into the atmosphere? How is this the effect and not the cause?

What do you believe is the cause of this effect - Increased Co2 levels in the atmosphere?

Obviously its not from the millions of litres we pump into the atmosphere each week.

This is a dumb argument to try and make.

Ice cores confirm that CO2 increases FOLLOW warming and result from warming of the oceans. it is hardly a dumb argument. The CO2 we put into the environment is not necessarily leading to increased warming. That connection is unproven by any proper standard of proof. It is suggestive but at the same time it ignores completely the earths feedback mechanisms that reduce temperatures.

What I a dumb argument to make is to say because we prouce CO2 that that ipso facto increase temperature. A littel bit of proof would be handy.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #92 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:57pm Some buggers still want proof the earth is not flat too. buggers that refuse the science of global warming are a danger to our children's future.
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #93 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 2:54pm skippy. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Some buggers still want proof the earth is not flat too. buggers that refuse the science of global warming are a danger to our children's future. lol thats what the church said. That is exactly how religion expresses fear.
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Reply #94 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

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Reply #95 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Maths is hard isn't it. Let me try to help you.

You appear to be a very ignorant person, so I will to try to explain things to you in terms that a very ignorant person may understand. You may be aware that there are a few very ignorant and racist Australian's who possess an irrational fear about asylum seekers. Let's use that as an example shall we?

Let us consider the deaths of asylum seekers at sea.
In 2001 under the Howard Pacific Solution, over 350 asylum seekers died at sea.
In 2012, 242 asylum seekers died or were missing at sea.

Under your reasoning - does this mean that the deaths of asylum seekers at sea had decreased under the current government?

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Reply #96 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

I say the temperature anomoly is exactly the same now as it was 16 years ago. Fact.

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Reply #97 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:59pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Maths is hard isn't it. Let me try to help you.

You appear to be a very ignorant person, so I will to try to explain things to you in terms that a very ignorant person may understand. You may be aware that there are a few very ignorant and racist Australian's who possess an irrational fear about asylum seekers. Let's use that as an example shall we?

Let us consider the deaths of asylum seekers at sea.
In 2001 under the Howard Pacific Solution, over 350 asylum seekers died at sea.
In 2012, 242 asylum seekers died or were missing at sea.

Under your reasoning - does this mean that the deaths of asylum seekers at sea had decreased under the current government?

It would mean a trend has gone down. The deaths have not gone up further, they have actually gone down.

Now what. You need help is what. 350 is more than 242. Maybe you meant another analogy lol.

Oh I get it. Maybe you think the heat hangs around for 16 years and will show up somewhere from an invisible force.

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Reply #98 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:13pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:57pm:

Some buggers still want proof the earth is not flat too. buggers that refuse the science of global warming are a danger to our children's future.

The reality, skip, is that those who tolerate the stupidity of those who refuse the science of global warming are a danger to our children's future, too.

That probably includes you and me, so don't be too judgemental.

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Reply #99 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:24pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

actually is doesnt. where did you learn maths?

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #100 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:26pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Maths is hard isn't it. Let me try to help you.

You appear to be a very ignorant person, so I will to try to explain things to you in terms that a very ignorant person may understand. You may be aware that there are a few very ignorant and racist Australian's who possess an irrational fear about asylum seekers. Let's use that as an example shall we?

Let us consider the deaths of asylum seekers at sea.
In 2001 under the Howard Pacific Solution, over 350 asylum seekers died at sea.
In 2012, 242 asylum seekers died or were missing at sea.

Under your reasoning - does this mean that the deaths of asylum seekers at sea had decreased under the current government?

the irony is that that is EXACTLY th argument you are making now. rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!

it is climate hysteria 101. it is not science. it is fraud.

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Reply #101 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:27pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

I say the temperature anomoly is exactly the same now as it was 16 years ago. Fact.

Yes. The temperature anomaly for this year may well be exactly the same as it was 16 years ago. I will take your word for it.

But you wrote:
Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.
which is complete bollocks.

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

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Reply #102 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:29pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:24pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

actually is doesnt. where did you learn maths?

No. Actually it does. That is exactly what it means.

Where did you learn maths if you think that the earth has not warmed for 16 years - yet the hottest average global temperature ever recorded occurred in 2010.

How does that work?

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #103 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:32pm goldie, doesn't understand how it works, he just accepts it. It's a waste of time using logic on him.
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Reply #104 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:32pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Maths is hard isn't it. Let me try to help you.

You appear to be a very ignorant person, so I will to try to explain things to you in terms that a very ignorant person may understand. You may be aware that there are a few very ignorant and racist Australian's who possess an irrational fear about asylum seekers. Let's use that as an example shall we?

Let us consider the deaths of asylum seekers at sea.
In 2001 under the Howard Pacific Solution, over 350 asylum seekers died at sea.
In 2012, 242 asylum seekers died or were missing at sea.

Under your reasoning - does this mean that the deaths of asylum seekers at sea had decreased under the current government?

the irony is that that is EXACTLY th argument you are making now. rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!

it is climate hysteria 101. it is not science. it is fraud.

rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!
Very good! You are making progress!

Now, tell us - why have you decided to choose an arbitrary point in time and keep repeating that the earth hasnt warmed further for 16 years?

And explain how this could be possible when the hottest year ever occurred only 3 years ago.

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