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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #105 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:35pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:32pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Maths is hard isn't it. Let me try to help you.

You appear to be a very ignorant person, so I will to try to explain things to you in terms that a very ignorant person may understand. You may be aware that there are a few very ignorant and racist Australian's who possess an irrational fear about asylum seekers. Let's use that as an example shall we?

Let us consider the deaths of asylum seekers at sea.
In 2001 under the Howard Pacific Solution, over 350 asylum seekers died at sea.
In 2012, 242 asylum seekers died or were missing at sea.

Under your reasoning - does this mean that the deaths of asylum seekers at sea had decreased under the current government?

the irony is that that is EXACTLY th argument you are making now. rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!

it is climate hysteria 101. it is not science. it is fraud.

rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!
Very good! You are making progress!

Now, tell us - why have you decided to choose an arbitrary point in time and keep repeating that the earth hasnt warmed further for 16 years?

And explain how this could be possible when the hottest year ever occurred only 3 years ago.

He's been told. "Four legs are good, two legs are better!" He is impervious to logic.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #106 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:39pm Sorry, goldie, normally I'd be more tolerant. Unfortunately, there is too much at stake to be polite.
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Reply #107 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

I say the temperature anomoly is exactly the same now as it was 16 years ago. Fact.

Yes. The temperature anomaly for this year may well be exactly the same as it was 16 years ago. I will take your word for it.

But you wrote:
Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.
which is complete bollocks.

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

it is a very good point. Perhaps you should think about that for a while and consider the answer. Let me give you a starting point. not everything you read and hear is true.

PS the 'hottest ever' is crap. the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer than now. Of course that is too hard for climate scientists to swallow so they invent the story that the MWP didnt happen. And somehow Vikings circum-navigated Greenland thru pack ice and dug graves in permafrost.

the MWP is the living proof of the lie of ACC. Im equally sure you dont believe it happened either.

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #108 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:10pm So, besides the conspiracy theory argument, goldie, what else have you got.
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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #109 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

I say the temperature anomoly is exactly the same now as it was 16 years ago. Fact.

Yes. The temperature anomaly for this year may well be exactly the same as it was 16 years ago. I will take your word for it.

But you wrote:
Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.
which is complete bollocks.

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

Same. Hasnt warmed further. Anomoly the same. Same.

You seem to be stuck on weather is climate type thinking. 2 years does not make up for 16 years now does it. It is all the years combined that makes up the trend and the trend is that the anomoly is exactly the same, 16 years later. No up tick, no co2 correlation.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #110 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:16pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:32pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Maths is hard isn't it. Let me try to help you.

You appear to be a very ignorant person, so I will to try to explain things to you in terms that a very ignorant person may understand. You may be aware that there are a few very ignorant and racist Australian's who possess an irrational fear about asylum seekers. Let's use that as an example shall we?

Let us consider the deaths of asylum seekers at sea.
In 2001 under the Howard Pacific Solution, over 350 asylum seekers died at sea.
In 2012, 242 asylum seekers died or were missing at sea.

Under your reasoning - does this mean that the deaths of asylum seekers at sea had decreased under the current government?

the irony is that that is EXACTLY th argument you are making now. rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!

it is climate hysteria 101. it is not science. it is fraud.

rather than look at what is happening now you choose and arbitrary point in time, compare it and say TA DA!!!
Very good! You are making progress!

Now, tell us - why have you decided to choose an arbitrary point in time and keep repeating that the earth hasnt warmed further for 16 years?

And explain how this could be possible when the hottest year ever occurred only 3 years ago.

for goodness sake you dumb simpleton. the IPCC itself states that a pause in temperature for 17 years constitutes s significant alteration in the temperature trajectory. Given that you cannot count let me remind you that the 17th year is this year. 16 years of no statistically significant temperature increase is not an arbitrary statement. if you are producing a trend graph you don't pick start and end points to support your hypothesis. That is the job Mann etc who spliced data (some of it made up) into his data. a trend graph shows a flattening in the last 16 years making it a valid anomaly worth commenting on.

Your insistence on using the 30 year time frame and today while ignoring what happens inbetween is invalid - unless you are planning on supporting an ideology rather than investigating truth.

and why the hottest year is always 'this year' or last year' or whatever... always an interesting question. For that I refer you to 2007 NASA results which initially said that it was the coolest year in 10 or so. Then James Hansen changed the data and declared that it was the hottest.

I wish I could say it was an isolated incident. Perhaps he was relying exclusively on the temperature gauges located conveniently in car parks, outside A/C vents and other such perfect locations.

yes, I am implying scientific fraud and flat-out lying. Enough have been caught out at it now to have established a trend.

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gold_medal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3897 Gender:	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #111 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:17pm MOTR wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:39pm: Sorry, goldie, normally I'd be more tolerant. Unfortunately, there is too much at stake to be polite. Id settle for some critical reasoning but I notice you have gone cold on that claim. Just as well.
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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #112 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

I say the temperature anomoly is exactly the same now as it was 16 years ago. Fact.

Yes. The temperature anomaly for this year may well be exactly the same as it was 16 years ago. I will take your word for it.

But you wrote:
Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.
which is complete bollocks.

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

Same. Hasnt warmed further. Anomoly the same. Same.

You seem to be stuck on weather is climate type thinking. 2 years does not make up for 16 years now does it. It is all the years combined that makes up the trend and the trend is that the anomoly is exactly the same, 16 years later. No up tick, no co2 correlation.

Really, progs. All the years combined.

You don't even comprehend your own argument. That's because you outsource your thinking to others.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #113 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:20pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

Sorry, goldie, normally I'd be more tolerant. Unfortunately, there is too much at stake to be polite.

Id settle for some critical reasoning but I notice you have gone cold on that claim. Just as well.

I tried, goldie. Now I'm just giving you the brutal truth.

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Reply #114 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:30pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

it is a very good point. Perhaps you should think about that for a while and consider the answer. Let me give you a starting point. not everything you read and hear is true.

Yes it is. Now, how about an answer?

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

PS the 'hottest ever' is crap.

I wrote that 2010 was the hottest year ever recorded. What is "crap" about that? Which other year (besides 2005) had a hotter recorded average global temperature?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer than now.

Really!?!?!? Globally?!?!? Please provide evidence of this. I think you are making things up again

And what does this have to do with my statement that 2010 was the hottest year ever recorded?
Are you trying to start a silly strawman arguement? Please don't.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

Of course that is too hard for climate scientists to swallow so they invent the story that the MWP didnt happen.
the MWP is the living proof of the lie of ACC. Im equally sure you dont believe it happened either.

Wow!! So many straw men!

Why can't you keep on topic? To embarrassed?

We are waiting for your explanation.

How is it you say there has been no warming for 16 years, when the hottest year ever recorded was 2010 - just 3 years ago?

Please explain.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #115 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:12pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 4:27pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 3:43pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years. Co2 has gone up exponentially. No correlation at all, never has been, never will be. Co2 has always been the effect, not the cause.

Why do you keep repeating this nonsense? It is 100% wrong?

On what do you base this silly claim that the planet hasn't warmed for 16 years? Anything at all?

The planet is warming.Every single one of the past 16 years has had a positive temperature anomaly with respect to the 30 year average.
This means the planet is warming.

And all of the related effects you would expect to see with a warming planet have been observed,

Sea levels are rising.
The arctic icecap is shrinking.
Glacial mass balance is decreasing.

This is because the planet is warming.

Why do you keep trying to deny it?
Why do you keep repeating this nonsense claim that the earth "hasn't warmed for 16 years"?

Do you have anything to support that silly statement?

I say the temperature anomoly is exactly the same now as it was 16 years ago. Fact.

Yes. The temperature anomaly for this year may well be exactly the same as it was 16 years ago. I will take your word for it.

But you wrote:
Yet it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.
which is complete bollocks.

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

Same. Hasnt warmed further. Anomoly the same. Same.

You seem to be stuck on weather is climate type thinking. 2 years does not make up for 16 years now does it. It is all the years combined that makes up the trend and the trend is that the anomoly is exactly the same, 16 years later. No up tick, no co2 correlation.

THe 12 hottest years ever recorded occurred in the past 16 years.
The hottest year ever recorded occurred 3 years ago

You tell us the earth has not warmed for 16 years.

Please explain.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137502 Gender:	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #116 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:37pm skippy. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 1:57pm: Some buggers still want proof the earth is not flat too. buggers that refuse the science of global warming are a danger to our children's future. More alarmist scaremongering. Cracks me up.
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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #117 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:37pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

it is a very good point. Perhaps you should think about that for a while and consider the answer. Let me give you a starting point. not everything you read and hear is true.

Yes it is. Now, how about an answer?

How exactly do you explain the fact that the 2 hottest years ever recorded (2005 and 2010) occurred in the past 16 years? (In fact - the 12 hottest years ever recorded all occurred in the past 16 years)

Yet you tell us that it hasnt warmed further for 16 years.

Please explain?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

PS the 'hottest ever' is crap.

I wrote that 2010 was the hottest year ever recorded. What is "crap" about that? Which other year (besides 2005) had a hotter recorded average global temperature?

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer than now.

Really!?!?!? Globally?!?!? Please provide evidence of this. I think you are making things up again

And what does this have to do with my statement that 2010 was the hottest year ever recorded?
Are you trying to start a silly strawman arguement? Please don't.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:02pm:

Of course that is too hard for climate scientists to swallow so they invent the story that the MWP didnt happen.
the MWP is the living proof of the lie of ACC. Im equally sure you dont believe it happened either.

Wow!! So many straw men!

Why can't you keep on topic? To embarrassed?

We are waiting for your explanation.

How is it you say there has been no warming for 16 years, when the hottest year ever recorded was 2010 - just 3 years ago?

Please explain.

refer the highlighted section. This is a reflection on your reasoning ability. I said that the MWP was 3-4 degrees HOTTER than today and then you ask how that affects your claim that 2010 was the hottest. are you dumb? are you that inadequate that you cant recognise the implicit logic in the argument? you don't have to agree but you cant call into question the logic without looking liek a dolt. and you do.

yes the MWP was warmer than now. get over it. the vikings did

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #118 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:44pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

for goodness sake you dumb simpleton. the IPCC itself states that a pause in temperature for 17 years constitutes s significant alteration in the temperature trajectory.

Please show us this quote.

And please explain to us which 17 years you are referring to.

You cannot be referring to the past 17 years, since it is clear that there has been no pause in the past 17 years. The hottest year ever recorded occurred in 2010

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:16pm:

yes, I am implying scientific fraud and flat-out lying. Enough have been caught out at it now to have established a trend.

Funny you say that, since you are the one that has been caught telling lies here.

You wrote in another thread:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 11:30am:

FACT actually glaciers have stopped recending,

This is simply an outright lie. Global glacial mass balance has not stopped declining at all.
You simply told a lie.

Why exactly is it that you are incapable of making an arguement without resorting to lies?
We both know the answer to that, don't we.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137502 Gender:	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #119 - Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:46pm gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 5:37pm: ... This is a reflection on your reasoning ability. ... Hmm, I must have missed that.
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