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Reply #150 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:09pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:08am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 4:06am:

[quote author=gold_medal link=1356751940/139#139 date=1357374315]an impressive list of names at the end of that letter.

That was the intent, goldie. I guess you can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

good grief MOTR... has your critical reasoning thrown a piston or something??? do you think that a professor of climatology might not have published a paper on the topic? Or perhaps the head of climate research at the federal govt might somewhere written something?

You would think. But where is the "professor of climatology" on that list? They all seem to be NASA engineers or astronauts.

So can you please answer the question that was asked of you? Can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

and you have inadvertently proven my point. it is not about the science per se but about the integrity, intelligence and ethics of the AGW alarmists/hysterics. to question the credentials, experience and integrity of this group of very respected scientists casts a long shadow over yourself. But do not feel picked on. You are in good company. You hysterics do it all the time. You question, criticise and ridicule ANYONE - absolutely anyone - who dares question the orthodoxy. Nobel prize winner? your opinion doesnt matter.

its a really bad look.

So why do you tell lies?

That is not a good look either is it. You cannot make a valid argument - so you tell lies. ANd when accusations of lying are brought up - you try to change the subject.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us why you are incapable of making an arguement without resorting to telling lies?

Why did you lie about the decrease of glacial mass balance?

And we are still waiting for you to explain why you think the earth has not warmed for 16 years - when the hottest year ever recorded was only 3 years ago.

And why did you claim that the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today? Not that that statement is relevant to the discussion in any way - but I am curious...Any evidence to support that? Or just another lie?

How about some answers before you post more letters from astronauts?

try the WSJ article signed by 16 emminent CLIMATE scientists.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

obviously you didnt read it the first time.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #151 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:12pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 10:23am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

an impressive list of names at the end of that letter.

It looks impressive but it actually isn't

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The Signatories

Obviously this letter first gained attention because the signatories are former NASA employees. They are being touted as "top astronauts, scientists, and engineers" and "NASA experts, with more than 1000 years of combined professional experience." Okay, but in what fields does their expertise lie?

Based on the job titles listed in the letter signatures, by my count they include 23 administrators, 8 astronauts, 7 engineers, 5 technicians, and 4 scientists/mathematicians of one sort or another (none of those sorts having the slightest relation to climate science). Amongst the signatories and their 1,000 years of combined professional experience, that appears to include a grand total of zero hours of climate research experience, and zero peer-reviewed climate science papers.

The 49 former NASA employees are also a pretty unimpressive number

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It's worth noting that their numbers are revealed as quite unimpressive. For example, over 18,000 people currently work for NASA. Without even considering the pool of retired NASA employees (all signatories of this list are former NASA employees).

This letter, as these letters always do, has gone viral in the climate denial blogosphere, and even in the climate denial mainstream media (Fox News). But why exactly is this letter being treated as major news? That is something of a mystery. Or it would be, if the behavior of the climate denial community weren't so predictable.

perhaps take a closer look at the credientials and experience of thes 49. it isnt the canteen lady or the cleaner or even the welder on the rockets. it is the creme de la creme of NASA staff. men who walked on the moon. astronauts. literal rocket scientiest, enginers, phsyicists, climatologists...

but as usual you dismiss out of hand any evidence contrary to your opinion.

You claim consensus all the tie but when the reverse is true you deny it.

your credibility and integrity are in serious question.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #152 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:19pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:08am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 4:06am:

[quote author=gold_medal link=1356751940/139#139 date=1357374315]an impressive list of names at the end of that letter.

That was the intent, goldie. I guess you can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

good grief MOTR... has your critical reasoning thrown a piston or something??? do you think that a professor of climatology might not have published a paper on the topic? Or perhaps the head of climate research at the federal govt might somewhere written something?

You would think. But where is the "professor of climatology" on that list? They all seem to be NASA engineers or astronauts.

So can you please answer the question that was asked of you? Can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

and you have inadvertently proven my point. it is not about the science per se but about the integrity, intelligence and ethics of the AGW alarmists/hysterics. to question the credentials, experience and integrity of this group of very respected scientists casts a long shadow over yourself. But do not feel picked on. You are in good company. You hysterics do it all the time. You question, criticise and ridicule ANYONE - absolutely anyone - who dares question the orthodoxy. Nobel prize winner? your opinion doesnt matter.

its a really bad look.

So why do you tell lies?

That is not a good look either is it. You cannot make a valid argument - so you tell lies. ANd when accusations of lying are brought up - you try to change the subject.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us why you are incapable of making an arguement without resorting to telling lies?

Why did you lie about the decrease of glacial mass balance?

And we are still waiting for you to explain why you think the earth has not warmed for 16 years - when the hottest year ever recorded was only 3 years ago.

And why did you claim that the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today? Not that that statement is relevant to the discussion in any way - but I am curious...Any evidence to support that? Or just another lie?

How about some answers before you post more letters from astronauts?

well since you dont like my claim about the MWP then you go ahead and tell me about it. But remember your temperature increase has to cater for melting the ice around greenland's north. or you could just say that all the history of that period is bogus.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #153 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:25pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 4:06am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 5^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

an impressive list of names at the end of that letter.

That was the intent, goldie. I guess you can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers.

good grief MOTR... has your critical reasoning thrown a piston or something??? do you think that a professor of climatology might not have published a paper on the topic? Or perhaps the head of climate research at the federal govt might somewhere written something?

and you have inadvertently proven my point. it is not about the science per se but about the integrity, intelligence and ethics of the AGW alarmists/hysterics. to question the credentials, experience and integrity of this group of very respected scientists casts a long shadow over yourself. But do not feel picked on. You are in good company. You hysterics do it all the time. You question, criticise and ridicule ANYONE - absolutely anyone - who dares question the orthodoxy. Nobel prize winner? your opinion doesnt matter.

its a really bad look.

Longy I think that it is your critical reasoning that has thrown a piston. You have fallen for the oldest trick in the book. I'm sure the group of "respected scientists" are very knowledgeable in their field of expertise . Climate research is not their field of expertise however so why should their opinion carry any more weight than yours or mine? Why should a Nobel Prize winners opinion carry any weight if it was won in an unrelated field?

It is however good that you have admitted that it is 'not about the science per se' because in the end that is all that global warming is about. Its just a shame that it has been turned into a political football by people such as you and Progs for your own political agendas.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #154 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:30pm

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Despite substantial uncertainties, especially for the period prior to 1600 when data are scarce, the warmest period of the last 2,000 years prior to the 20th century very likely occurred between 950 and 1100, but temperatures were probably between 0.1 °C and 0.2 °C below the 1961 to 1990 mean and significantly below the level shown by instrumental data after 1980. The heterogeneous nature of climate during the Medieval Warm Period is illustrated by the wide spread of values exhibited by the individual records.[11] Warmth in some regions appears to have matched or exceeded recent levels of warmth in these regions, but globally the Medieval Warm Period was cooler than recent global temperatures.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

As I've said all along Long, the MWP was regional

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #155 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:35pm

The world has gotten colder on the East Coast of China:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-06/ships-trapped-in-ice-after-china-cold-snap...

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Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades,
cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius - 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

Bitter cold has even frozen the sea in Laizhou Bay on the coast of Shandong province in the east, stranding nearly 1,000 ships, the China Daily newspaper reported.

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Reply #156 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

The world has gotten colder on the East Coast of China:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-06/ships-trapped-in-ice-after-china-cold-snap...

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Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades,
cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius - 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

Bitter cold has even frozen the sea in Laizhou Bay on the coast of Shandong province in the east, stranding nearly 1,000 ships, the China Daily newspaper reported.

STOP IT bobby

according to the leftards

the water is freezing because the world is heating up

they are now saying that you no longer need a freezer to make ice

just heat water up and it should freeze

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #157 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:23pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:19pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:35pm:

The world has gotten colder on the East Coast of China:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-06/ships-trapped-in-ice-after-china-cold-snap...

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Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades,
cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius - 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

Bitter cold has even frozen the sea in Laizhou Bay on the coast of Shandong province in the east, stranding nearly 1,000 ships, the China Daily newspaper reported.

STOP IT bobby

according to the leftards

the water is freezing because the world is heating up

they are now saying that you no longer need a freezer to make ice

just heat water up and it should freeze

According to the AGW alarmists, not lefties.

I'm a (far) lefty and I think these AGW alarmists are borderline retards. Please don't associate me with them Wink

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104678 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #158 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:29pm Maqqa, Quote: the water is freezing because the world is heating up Could be so. Climate change can also cause extreme weather conditions - sometimes an area can get colder. If the Gulf stream stops Europe will be forced into a mini ice age.
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Reply #159 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

Climate change can also cause extreme weather conditions -
sometimes an area can get colder.

Yes, of course. Climate change. The change can be warming or cooling. Nobody would argue with that.

However, the 'W' in AGW stands for 'warming', not 'change'.

The AGW alarmists twist their words to suit their"argument".

Pathetic bunch.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #160 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

Climate change can also cause extreme weather conditions -
sometimes an area can get colder.

Yes, of course. Climate change. The change can be warming or cooling. Nobody would argue with that.

However, the 'W' in AGW stands for 'warming', not 'change'.

The AGW alarmists twist their words to suit their"argument".

Pathetic bunch.

With all due respect you don't know about the Gulf steam.

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Reply #161 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:52pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

Climate change can also cause extreme weather conditions -
sometimes an area can get colder.

Yes, of course. Climate change. The change can be warming or cooling. Nobody would argue with that.

However, the 'W' in AGW stands for 'warming', not 'change'.

The AGW alarmists twist their words to suit their"argument".

Pathetic bunch.

With all due respect you don't know about the Gulf steam.

With all due respect, it makes no difference to my last post.

The terms AGW and climate change are not interchangeable. AGW alarmists think they are. This is my point.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104678 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists Reply #162 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:58pm Do I have to spell it out for the 100th time? I suppose so: The fresh water melting from Greenland can cause the Gulf stream to stop. This is caused by global warming. If the Gulf stream stops Europe will be plunged into a mini-ice age. Do you understand now? cheers Bobby.
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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #163 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:59pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 12:19pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 9:08am:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

MOTR wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 4:06am:

[quote author=gold_medal link=1356751940/139#139 date=1357374315]an impressive list of names at the end of that letter.

That was the intent, goldie. I guess you can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

good grief MOTR... has your critical reasoning thrown a piston or something??? do you think that a professor of climatology might not have published a paper on the topic? Or perhaps the head of climate research at the federal govt might somewhere written something?

You would think. But where is the "professor of climatology" on that list? They all seem to be NASA engineers or astronauts.

So can you please answer the question that was asked of you? Can tell us the collective amount of time these particular gentlemen have spent researching climate science. Perhaps you could link us to their most influential papers

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

and you have inadvertently proven my point. it is not about the science per se but about the integrity, intelligence and ethics of the AGW alarmists/hysterics. to question the credentials, experience and integrity of this group of very respected scientists casts a long shadow over yourself. But do not feel picked on. You are in good company. You hysterics do it all the time. You question, criticise and ridicule ANYONE - absolutely anyone - who dares question the orthodoxy. Nobel prize winner? your opinion doesnt matter.

its a really bad look.

So why do you tell lies?

That is not a good look either is it. You cannot make a valid argument - so you tell lies. ANd when accusations of lying are brought up - you try to change the subject.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us why you are incapable of making an arguement without resorting to telling lies?

Why did you lie about the decrease of glacial mass balance?

And we are still waiting for you to explain why you think the earth has not warmed for 16 years - when the hottest year ever recorded was only 3 years ago.

And why did you claim that the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today? Not that that statement is relevant to the discussion in any way - but I am curious...Any evidence to support that? Or just another lie?

How about some answers before you post more letters from astronauts?

well since you dont like my claim about the MWP then you go ahead and tell me about it. But remember your temperature increase has to cater for melting the ice around greenland's north. or you could just say that all the history of that period is bogus.

We are still waiting for you to explain to us why you are incapable of making an arguement without resorting to telling lies?

Why did you lie about the decrease of glacial mass balance?

And we are still waiting for you to explain why you think the earth has not warmed for 16 years - when the hottest year ever recorded was only 3 years ago.

And why did you claim that the MWP was 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today? Not that that statement is relevant to the discussion in any way - but I am curious...Any evidence to support that? Or just another lie?

THere is very little evidence to suggest that the MWP was warmer than to today globally:
Despite clear evidence for Medieval warmth greater than present in some individual records, the new hemispheric composite supports the principal conclusion of earlier hemispheric reconstructions and, furthermore, indicates that maximum Medieval warmth was restricted to two-three 20–30 year intervals, with composite values during these times being only comparable to the mid-20 th century warm time interval. Failure to substantiate hemispheric warmth greater than the present consistently occurs in composites because there are significant offsets in timing of warmth in different regions; ignoring these offsets can lead to serious errors concerning inferences about the magnitude of Medieval warmth and its relevance to interpretation of late 20 th century warming.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1579/0044-7447-29.1.51

Not that this is in any way relevant to the discussion - but it is curios that you feel the need to tell further lies with respect to it.

Why do you tell lies like that?

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Reply #164 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 1:58pm:

Do I have to spell it out for the 100th time?

I suppose so:

The fresh water melting from Greenland can cause the Gulf stream to stop.
This is caused by global warming.

If the Gulf stream stops Europe will be plunged into a mini-ice age.

Do you understand now?

cheers
Bobby.

The terms 'AGW' and 'climate change' are not interchangeable. This is my point.

Not sure why you're having trouble understanding that.

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