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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #210 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:02pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
Is the crack den open already?

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #211 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:18pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:54pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 2:46pm:
Is the crack den open already?




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WITH ANY LUCK THEY WILL GET FED UP WITH THE IDEA.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #212 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:21pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
You like charts, pick a chart. The anthropogenic climate change cult is not going to like these charts. Not just because of what they represent, but because of the sheer volume of them.

MWP, you want to know, go take a look at the pretty graphs

http://www.c3headlines.com/temperature-charts-historical-proxies.html

Just extract for us the chart that shows that the  MWP WAS 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today.

Could you do that for us please?  Thanks.
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Reply #213 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:24pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
You like charts, pick a chart. The anthropogenic climate change cult is not going to like these charts. Not just because of what they represent, but because of the sheer volume of them.

MWP, you want to know, go take a look at the pretty graphs

http://www.c3headlines.com/temperature-charts-historical-proxies.html

Just extract for us the chart that shows that the  MWP WAS 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today.

Could you do that for us please?  Thanks.

HEY PROGS: FEEL FREE TO GET THAT CHART MOVING ACROSS THE SCREEN NOW WON'T YA!!

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #214 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:24pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
You like charts, pick a chart. The anthropogenic climate change cult is not going to like these charts. Not just because of what they represent, but because of the sheer volume of them.

MWP, you want to know, go take a look at the pretty graphs

http://www.c3headlines.com/temperature-charts-historical-proxies.html

Just extract for us the chart that shows that the  MWP WAS 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today.

Could you do that for us please?  Thanks.

Why would I? You have trouble comprehending pretty colours on a graph.
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Reply #215 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:26pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:24pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 10:19pm:
You like charts, pick a chart. The anthropogenic climate change cult is not going to like these charts. Not just because of what they represent, but because of the sheer volume of them.

MWP, you want to know, go take a look at the pretty graphs

http://www.c3headlines.com/temperature-charts-historical-proxies.html

Just extract for us the chart that shows that the  MWP WAS 3-4 degrees warmer globally than today.

Could you do that for us please?  Thanks.

Why would I? You have trouble comprehending pretty graphs.

PROGS IS CLOSE TO ORGAN FAILURE, LOL JUST SO LOL!!
DON'T CRY PROGS
Cry Cry Cry Cry   
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Reply #216 - Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:26pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 1:20pm:
Perhaps, the reason he (Longy) is avoiding the issue, is because HE CAN'T PROOVE IT!

At least, the following chart would suggest he would have "some" difficulty!

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig6-10b.png

The chart, which includes various studies, shows there was only just over 1 degree variation in Global temperatures, from the MWP period, to the bottoms of the cooler "Little Ice Age" period.

The temperatures then rose again, so that the MWP & temps earlier in the 20th century were roughly similar, BUT since then the temperatures have continued to rise.   



Yes - but the puzzling this is why the deniers get so excited about the MWP at all.

Let's - for fun - just ignore all of the current research on the matter, and assume that Gold Medal is actually correct - an that the MWP really WAS 4 degrees warmer globaly that today.

WTF doe this have to do with the impact of increasing atmospheric CO2 on global climates now?!?!?
Even though proxy studies show it is unlikely the MWP was warmer than today - there is still every chance it MAY HAVE BEEN warmer than today.  So what?!?!  Why do the deniers think this is relevant?

We know there have been many times in the planet's history when it was warmer than today.  How does this change the simple fact that in recent decades anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses have impacted upon the planet's incoming and outgoing heat energy?
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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #217 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 4:18pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 1:20pm:
Perhaps, the reason he (Longy) is avoiding the issue, is because HE CAN'T PROOVE IT!

At least, the following chart would suggest he would have "some" difficulty!

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/ipcc2007/fig6-10b.png

The chart, which includes various studies, shows there was only just over 1 degree variation in Global temperatures, from the MWP period, to the bottoms of the cooler "Little Ice Age" period.

The temperatures then rose again, so that the MWP & temps earlier in the 20th century were roughly similar, BUT since then the temperatures have continued to rise.   



Yes - but the puzzling this is why the deniers get so excited about the MWP at all.

Let's - for fun - just ignore all of the current research on the matter, and assume that Gold Medal is actually correct - an that the MWP really WAS 4 degrees warmer globaly that today.

WTF doe this have to do with the impact of increasing atmospheric CO2 on global climates now?!?!?
Even though proxy studies show it is unlikely the MWP was warmer than today - there is still every chance it MAY HAVE BEEN warmer than today.  So what?!?!  Why do the deniers think this is relevant?

We know there have been many times in the planet's history when it was warmer than today.  How does this change the simple fact that in recent decades anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses have impacted upon the planet's incoming and outgoing heat energy?


how can you be quite so dense as to not see the relevance??? why do you think you alarmists are SO intent on wiping the MWP from history? the whole tenet of your religion is that today's temperatures are UNPRECEDENTED. A MWP that was warmer and escpailly a LOT warmer, totally debunks that notion.

how does that not make sense to you and to be intuitively obvious? But it is indeed a miracle of biblical proportions that the north of Greenland was ice-free with lower temperatures than today. Truly amazing!
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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #218 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 4:31pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
How does this change the simple fact that in recent decades anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses have impacted upon the planet's incoming and outgoing heat energy?




You really don't like (or understand) science, do you?

It's not a simple "fact" at all.

Stop telling lies.

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Re: Embarrassment for the climate alarmists
Reply #219 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 7:06am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 4:31pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
How does this change the simple fact that in recent decades anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses have impacted upon the planet's incoming and outgoing heat energy?




You really don't like (or understand) science, do you?

It's not a simple "fact" at all.

Stop telling lies.



reading his posts you realise that he doestn understand science or even logic particularly well.
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Reply #220 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:03am
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 4:18pm:
how can you be quite so dense as to not see the relevance??? why do you think you alarmists are SO intent on wiping the MWP from history? the whole tenet of your religion is that today's temperatures are UNPRECEDENTED. A MWP that was warmer and escpailly a LOT warmer, totally debunks that notion.

how does that not make sense to you and to be intuitively obvious? But it is indeed a miracle of biblical proportions that the north of Greenland was ice-free with lower temperatures than today. Truly amazing!


rabbitoh07 is right. In the end your obsession with the MPW and the hockey stick graph is irrelevant and really just a red herring.

Lets have a thought experiment and assume that the MPW was global and that it was warmer than todays temperatures. Does that prove that our CO2 emissions arn't warming the globe? No all it means is that the unprecedented warming will be delayed by a few decades. We will still get warmer and it will still be caused by human activities.
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Reply #221 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:04am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:03am:
We will still get warmer  ...


Maybe.  Maybe not.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 10:03am:
...  and it will still be caused by human activities.


Maybe.  Maybe not.

AGW is a hypothesis, remember.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #222 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:16am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:04am:
AGW is a hypothesis, remember.   Roll Eyes


Just like evolution is a hypothesis  Roll Eyes
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Reply #223 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:27am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:04am:
AGW is a hypothesis, remember.   Roll Eyes


Just like evolution is a hypothesis  Roll Eyes



No.  Evolution is not a hypothesis.

You scientific knowledge is somewhat lacking (not surprising though).
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Reply #224 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:56am
 
NASA finally breaking free of their embarrassing co2 only climate change rhetoric.


http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/08jan_sunclimate/

It is a start. Finally some real science from real scientists.


Understanding the sun-climate connection requires a breadth of expertise in fields such as plasma physics, solar activity, atmospheric chemistry and fluid dynamics, energetic particle physics, and even terrestrial history. No single researcher has the full range of knowledge required to solve the problem. To make progress, the NRC had to assemble dozens of experts from many fields at a single workshop. The report summarizes their combined efforts to frame the problem in a truly multi-disciplinary context.

One of the participants, Greg Kopp of the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado, pointed out that while the variations in luminosity over the 11-year solar cycle amount to only a tenth of a percent of the sun's total output, such a small fraction is still important. "Even typical short term variations of 0.1% in incident irradiance exceed all other energy sources (such as natural radioactivity in Earth's core) combined," he says.

Of particular importance is the sun's extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation, which peaks during the years around solar maximum. Within the relatively narrow band of EUV wavelengths, the sun’s output varies not by a minuscule 0.1%, but by whopping factors of 10 or more. This can strongly affect the chemistry and thermal structure of the upper atmosphere.

Several researchers discussed how changes in the upper atmosphere can trickle down to Earth's surface. There are many "top-down" pathways for the sun's influence. For instance, Charles Jackman of the Goddard Space Flight Center described how nitrogen oxides (NOx) created by solar energetic particles and cosmic rays in the stratosphere could reduce ozone levels by a few percent. Because ozone absorbs UV radiation, less ozone means that more UV rays from the sun would reach Earth's surface.

Isaac Held of NOAA took this one step further. He described how loss of ozone in the stratosphere could alter the dynamics of the atmosphere below it. "The cooling of the polar stratosphere associated with loss of ozone increases the horizontal temperature gradient near the tropopause,” he explains. “This alters the flux of angular momentum by mid-latitude eddies. [Angular momentum is important because] the angular momentum budget of the troposphere controls the surface westerlies." In other words, solar activity felt in the upper atmosphere can, through a complicated series of influences, push surface storm tracks off course.

Many of the mechanisms proposed at the workshop had a Rube Goldberg-like quality. They relied on multi-step interactions between multiples layers of atmosphere and ocean, some relying on chemistry to get their work done, others leaning on thermodynamics or fluid physics. But just because something is complicated doesn't mean it's not real.

Indeed, Gerald Meehl of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) presented persuasive evidence that solar variability is leaving an imprint on climate, especially in the Pacific. According to the report, when researchers look at sea surface temperature data during sunspot peak years, the tropical Pacific shows a pronounced La Nina-like pattern, with a cooling of almost 1o C in the equatorial eastern Pacific. In addition, "there are signs of enhanced precipitation in the Pacific ITCZ (Inter-Tropical Convergence Zone ) and SPCZ (South Pacific Convergence Zone) as well as above-normal sea-level pressure in the mid-latitude North and South Pacific," correlated with peaks in the sunspot cycle.

The solar cycle signals are so strong in the Pacific, that Meehl and colleagues have begun to wonder if something in the Pacific climate system is acting to amplify them. "One of the mysteries regarding Earth's climate system ... is how the relatively small fluctuations of the 11-year solar cycle can produce the magnitude of the observed climate signals in the tropical Pacific." Using supercomputer models of climate, they show that not only "top-down" but also "bottom-up" mechanisms involving atmosphere-ocean interactions are required to amplify solar forcing at the surface of the Pacific.


http://climaterealists.com/?id=10912


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