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Reply #45 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 10:28am
 
31) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, rising CO2 levels of some so-called “greenhouse gases” may be contributing to higher oxygen levels and global cooling, not warming

32) Accurate satellite, balloon and mountain top observations made over the last three decades have not shown any significant change in the long term rate of increase in global temperatures

33) Today’s CO2 concentration of around 385 ppm is very low compared to most of the earth’s history – we actually live in a carbon-deficient atmosphere

34) It is a myth that CO2 is the most common greenhouse gas because greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume, and CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere

35) It is a myth that computer models verify that CO2 increases will cause significant global warming because computer models can be made to “verify” anything

36) There is no scientific or statistical evidence whatsoever that global warming will cause more storms and other weather extremes

37) One statement deleted from a UN report in 1996 stated that “none of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases”

38) The world “warmed” by 0.07 +/- 0.07 degrees C from 1999 to 2008, not the 0.20 degrees C expected by the IPCC

39) The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says “it is likely that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become more intense” but there has been no increase in the intensity or frequency of tropical cyclones globally

40) Rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere can be shown not only to have a negligible effect on the Earth’s many ecosystems, but in some cases to be a positive help to many organisms

41) Researchers who compare and contrast climate change impact on civilizations found warm periods are beneficial to mankind and cold periods harmful

42) The Met Office asserts we are in the hottest decade since records began but this is precisely what the world should expect if the climate is cyclical

43) Rising CO2 levels increase plant growth and make plants more resistant to drought and pests

44) The historical increase in the air’s CO2 content has improved human nutrition by raising crop yields during the past 150 years

45) The increase of the air’s CO2 content has probably helped lengthen human lifespans since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution

46) The IPCC alleges that “climate change currently contributes to the global burden of disease and premature deaths” but the evidence shows that higher temperatures and rising CO2 levels has helped global populations

47) In May of 2004, the Russian Academy of Sciences published a report concluding that the Kyoto Protocol has no scientific grounding at all.

48) The “Climate-gate” scandal pointed to a expensive public campaign of disinformation and the denigration of scientists who opposed the belief that CO2 emissions were causing climate change

49) The head of Britain’s climate change watchdog has predicted households will need to spend up to £15,000 on a full energy efficiency makeover if the Government is to meet its ambitious targets for cutting carbon emissions.

50) Wind power is unlikely to be the answer to our energy needs. The wind power industry argues that there are “no direct subsidies” but it involves a total subsidy of as much as £60 per MWh which falls directly on electricity consumers. This burden will grow in line with attempts to achieve Wind power targets, according to a recent OFGEM report.

And 50 more
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/146138/100-reasons-why-climate-change-is-nat...
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Reply #46 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:22am
 
So this is where the the most oft-repeated canards of the denialist blogosphere come to die.

Some of these canards are so embarrassing, debunking them would feel a little like clubbing baby seals.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

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Reply #47 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:29am
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:22am:
So this is where the the most oft-repeated canards of the denialist blogosphere come to die.

Some of these canards are so embarrassing, debunking them would feel a little like clubbing baby seals.

You could take your cult book over to this guy who wrote the article and take on his challenge.

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THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE SCIENTIST WHO HAS REAL DATA EVIDENCE OF MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE


31.12.12, 7:10am

FACT. There is no scientist in the world who can produce observational data evidence showing that increases in CO2 levels over the last hundreds, thousands or millions of years cause increases in world temperatures.
IF ANYONE out there thinks there is then (i) NAME the scientist and (ii) GIVE THE OBSERVATIONAL DATA EVIDENCE.
Note opinions, computer models or claims it 'must be so' by anyone however expert, well-known or gravy-train funded count for zero. The only thing that counts is scientific observational evidence.
Thanks Piers Corbyn, WeatherAction long range weather and climate forecasters.


http://www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/146138/1

When you do, let us know and we will follow your success.
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Reply #48 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:33am
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:44am:


That's a pretty good visual summation of where we are at the moment.

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Reply #49 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:44am
 
There's no fire.



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Reply #50 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:49am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:44am:
There's no fire.




I would have to agree. There has to be a reason everyone has to agree there is a fire when they will not allow you to see the fire in order to agree with it.

More religious stuff from the cult. You must believe. A fire is not a god. You could just show the people the fire and move on, but nooooo. Because it doesnt exist in reality, there is no empirical real world data that the fire exists.
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Reply #51 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:49am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 11:44am:
There's no fire.




No but there is an abundance of seals to club.
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Reply #52 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:20pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 10:28am:
100 REASONS WHY CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL


HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:

18) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, unlike water vapour which is tied to climate concerns, and which we can’t even pretend to control




And this link debunks all these so called reasons

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/12/50-reasons-why-global-warming.html

I'm not sure what the economics of windfarms has to do with evidence that global warming is natural.  Cheesy

I also notice reason 18 where once again the total lack of scientific knowledge is apparent.

The current levels of water vapour, CO2 and other greenhouse gasses keep our planet at its current temperature. It is only if we increase those gasses that the temperature increases.

Increases in water vapour fall out as rain. Increases in CO2 stay in the atmosphere and cause it to warm.

Its not rocket science, but the global warming deniers do like to peddle their lies.

My question to you progresiveslol is that if you are so ignorant about how the atmosphere works then why are you spamming this forum with your propaganda? 
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Reply #53 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:44pm
 
Unlike CO2, an external forcing which can be added to and subtracted from the atmosphere, the level of water vapour is a function of temperature. Add CO2 and a little temperature to the atmosphere, and more water vapour can be held by the atmosphere Without this positive feedback effect a doubling of CO2 would only increase temperatures by about 1°C. Water vapor feedback doubles the warming. The other major positive feedback is of course the loss of albedo due to melting of our ice caps, ice sheets and glaciers.

Point 18 is wrong because our actions can indirectly increase the amount of water vapour held by the atmosphere.
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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."
 
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Reply #54 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:47pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:20pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 10:28am:
100 REASONS WHY CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL


HERE are the 100 reasons, released in a dossier issued by the European Foundation, why climate change is natural and not man-made:

18) Despite activist concerns over CO2 levels, CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas, unlike water vapour which is tied to climate concerns, and which we can’t even pretend to control




And this link debunks all these so called reasons

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2009/12/50-reasons-why-global-warming.html

I'm not sure what the economics of windfarms has to do with evidence that global warming is natural.  Cheesy

I also notice reason 18 where once again the total lack of scientific knowledge is apparent.

The current levels of water vapour, CO2 and other greenhouse gasses keep our planet at its current temperature. It is only if we increase those gasses that the temperature increases.

Increases in water vapour fall out as rain. Increases in CO2 stay in the atmosphere and cause it to warm.

Its not rocket science, but the global warming deniers do like to peddle their lies.

My question to you progresiveslol is that if you are so ignorant about how the atmosphere works then why are you spamming this forum with your propaganda? 

So what is your name to the challenge from the author of the piece. Would love to keep up with how you flawed the author via his challenge.

Keep us posted.
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Reply #55 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:56pm
 
I'm interested in your answer to this question, progs.

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My question to you progresiveslol is that if you are so ignorant about how the atmosphere works then why are you spamming this forum with your propaganda? 


You have very little understanding of how the atmosphere works, you know very little about statistics and one half of the stuff you post contradicts the other half. Yet you are certain you are right. Is this a paid gig, progs, or do you do this because of you want to leave a record behind that you were on the wrong side of history.
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Reply #56 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:58pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:56pm:
I'm interested in your answer to this question, progs.

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My question to you progresiveslol is that if you are so ignorant about how the atmosphere works then why are you spamming this forum with your propaganda? 


You have very little understanding of how the atmosphere works, you know very little about statistics and one half of the stuff you post contradicts the other half. Yet you are certain you are right. Is this a paid gig, progs, or do you do this because of you want to leave a record behind that you were on the wrong side of history.

I am sure you would. So how did you flaw the author. What is the response to his challenge that we should look out for, that is yours?
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Reply #57 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 2:07pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:58pm:
MOTR wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:56pm:
I'm interested in your answer to this question, progs.

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My question to you progresiveslol is that if you are so ignorant about how the atmosphere works then why are you spamming this forum with your propaganda? 


You have very little understanding of how the atmosphere works, you know very little about statistics and one half of the stuff you post contradicts the other half. Yet you are certain you are right. Is this a paid gig, progs, or do you do this because of you want to leave a record behind that you were on the wrong side of history.

I am sure you would. So how did you flaw the author. What is the response to his challenge that we should look out for, that is yours?


It's an exercise in semantics, progs. Few things can be proven absolutely. However, progs, we do have satellite data that  shows a drop in outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane (CH4) absorb energy.

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Reply #58 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 3:09pm
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 2:07pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:58pm:
MOTR wrote on Jan 1st, 2013 at 1:56pm:
I'm interested in your answer to this question, progs.

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My question to you progresiveslol is that if you are so ignorant about how the atmosphere works then why are you spamming this forum with your propaganda? 


You have very little understanding of how the atmosphere works, you know very little about statistics and one half of the stuff you post contradicts the other half. Yet you are certain you are right. Is this a paid gig, progs, or do you do this because of you want to leave a record behind that you were on the wrong side of history.

I am sure you would. So how did you flaw the author. What is the response to his challenge that we should look out for, that is yours?


It's an exercise in semantics, progs. Few things can be proven absolutely. However, progs, we do have satellite data that  shows a drop in outgoing radiation at the wavelength bands that greenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane (CH4) absorb energy.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/harries_radiation.gif

Comparing to what time frame. How is that graph any different to one when satellites went up or is this just a stagnant graph.
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Reply #59 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 3:11pm
 
The triangle or delta symbol represents change. It's a comparison between data collected in 1970 and 1996. It's a measure of the change in outgoing radiation between these two points in time.
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