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Do High Income Earners Pay Enough Tax,
Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:48am
 
Taxpayers giving the rich a cheap ride: survey

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Most Australians believe high-income earners do not pay enough tax, and nearly all think low- and middle-income earners pay too much, according to a survey by the progressive think tank Per Capita.     Huh

As the Federal Government considers the recommendations of a comprehensive review of the tax system by the Treasury Secretary, Ken Henry, the survey findings suggest a clampdown on tax lurks for high-income earners and or tax cuts at the lower end would be popular with voters.

Support for a more progressive tax system was found to hold across all age groups, income brackets, education levels and political groups. Even high-income earners said their peers paid too little tax, although hardly any would admit that they personally paid too little tax.

''The unequivocal finding is that respondents believe the tax system favours wealthy taxpayers at the expense of lower-income ones. In short, Australians want a more progressive tax system,'' the survey's authors conclude.


An overwhelming majority of the 1000 people surveyed also wanted the tax system to be made simpler. Given a choice of only one reform, people's preferred option would be to centralise federal, state and local taxes (34 per cent agree). This was followed by reducing the number of taxes (24 per cent), a simplification of deductions, rebates and exemptions (20 per cent) and a streamlining of personal tax returns (13 per cent).

The Federal Government's strategy of running a budget deficit to stimulate the economy out of recession was also found to have strong support, with 61 per cent agreeing. Only 22 per cent supported debt reduction over debt-funded stimulus.

But while respondents wanted this debt paid off over the economic cycle, 90 per cent said they wanted more money spent on health and 82 per cent wanted more for education, highlighting the difficult political task for the Government in reining in spending in an election year.

The co-author of the survey and executive director of Per Capita, David Hetherington, said high-income earners had access to a range of deductions and concessions that reduced the amount of tax they paid. Obvious targets for reform were superannuation salary sacrificing - where a flat rate of only 15 per cent is paid on voluntary contributions - golden handshakes for executives and fringe benefit tax.

''These things tend not to be available to lower-income earners,'' Mr Hetherington said.

The ideal approach would be to abolish such deductions to broaden the base on which taxes could be collected and then reduce the overall rates of tax paid, particularly at the low income end. While also benefiting those up the income scale, this would deliver the biggest proportional cuts to lower-income earners.

Of those surveyed, 53 per cent said high-income earners paid too little tax, while 95 per cent said low- and middle-income earners paid too much tax.     Wink



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/taxpayers-giving-the-rich-a-cheap-ride-survey-20100117-meeb.html#ixzz2GTnDCvQy
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:50am
 
Well it would seem that most Australians, think that high income earners don't pay enough tax.     Huh
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To get back to surpluses we need to reinstate Howards record taxation and transfer govt debt back to record household debt..I know the Libbos wont mind  Grin
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Reply #3 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:59am
 
Using even a smidgen of the critical thinking that MOTR waves around can be used to debunk this 'study'.

when it comes to the question of how much tax is paid everyone has an opinion on their own circumstances. 'they' of course pay too much tax and those they envy (higher income earners) pay too little. the largest tax paying group are middle-income earners ergo the 'majority' think the minority pay too little tax.

It is an idiotic study that will always get the same answer.
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Taxpayers giving the rich a cheap ride: survey

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    January 19, 2010


Most Australians believe high-income earners do not pay enough tax, and nearly all think low- and middle-income earners pay too much, according to a survey by the progressive think tank Per Capita.     Huh

As the Federal Government considers the recommendations of a comprehensive review of the tax system by the Treasury Secretary, Ken Henry, the survey findings suggest a clampdown on tax lurks for high-income earners and or tax cuts at the lower end would be popular with voters.

Support for a more progressive tax system was found to hold across all age groups, income brackets, education levels and political groups. Even high-income earners said their peers paid too little tax, although hardly any would admit that they personally paid too little tax.

''The unequivocal finding is that respondents believe the tax system favours wealthy taxpayers at the expense of lower-income ones. In short, Australians want a more progressive tax system,'' the survey's authors conclude.


An overwhelming majority of the 1000 people surveyed also wanted the tax system to be made simpler. Given a choice of only one reform, people's preferred option would be to centralise federal, state and local taxes (34 per cent agree). This was followed by reducing the number of taxes (24 per cent), a simplification of deductions, rebates and exemptions (20 per cent) and a streamlining of personal tax returns (13 per cent).

The Federal Government's strategy of running a budget deficit to stimulate the economy out of recession was also found to have strong support, with 61 per cent agreeing. Only 22 per cent supported debt reduction over debt-funded stimulus.

But while respondents wanted this debt paid off over the economic cycle, 90 per cent said they wanted more money spent on health and 82 per cent wanted more for education, highlighting the difficult political task for the Government in reining in spending in an election year.

The co-author of the survey and executive director of Per Capita, David Hetherington, said high-income earners had access to a range of deductions and concessions that reduced the amount of tax they paid. Obvious targets for reform were superannuation salary sacrificing - where a flat rate of only 15 per cent is paid on voluntary contributions - golden handshakes for executives and fringe benefit tax.

''These things tend not to be available to lower-income earners,'' Mr Hetherington said.

The ideal approach would be to abolish such deductions to broaden the base on which taxes could be collected and then reduce the overall rates of tax paid, particularly at the low income end. While also benefiting those up the income scale, this would deliver the biggest proportional cuts to lower-income earners.

Of those surveyed, 53 per cent said high-income earners paid too little tax, while 95 per cent said low- and middle-income earners paid too much tax.     Wink



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/taxpayers-giving-the-rich-a-cheap-ride-survey-20100117-meeb.html#ixzz2GTnDCvQy


and the articl is THREE YEARS OLD... getting desperate, dole-bludger?
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:03am
 

No they don't. Billionaires should pay 100% tax.
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Do High Income Earners Pay Enough Tax,

I would think that many do.

However I think that we all know that many don't.
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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:35am
 
Some do but many dont..just look at Gina Bush Pig...she refused to give her kids their inheritance because they would have to start paying tax on the income produced from it...like normal people  Cheesy
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Reply #8 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:40am
 
gold_medal wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:59am:
Using even a smidgen of the critical thinking that MOTR waves around can be used to debunk this 'study'.

when it comes to the question of how much tax is paid everyone has an opinion on their own circumstances. 'they' of course pay too much tax and those they envy (higher income earners) pay too little. the largest tax paying group are middle-income earners ergo the 'majority' think the minority pay too little tax.

It is an idiotic study that will always get the same answer.


GM if you had bothered to read the article you would find that high income earners believe the wealthy (excepting the self, of course) pay too little tax.

Does that mean you consider the rich envy the wealthy?
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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:50am
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:40am:
gold_medal wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:59am:
Using even a smidgen of the critical thinking that MOTR waves around can be used to debunk this 'study'.

when it comes to the question of how much tax is paid everyone has an opinion on their own circumstances. 'they' of course pay too much tax and those they envy (higher income earners) pay too little. the largest tax paying group are middle-income earners ergo the 'majority' think the minority pay too little tax.

It is an idiotic study that will always get the same answer.


GM if you had bothered to read the article you would find that high income earners believe the wealthy (excepting the self, of course) pay too little tax.

Does that mean you consider the rich envy the wealthy?


Longys one of those Libbos on here that thinks by praising and defending the wealthy at every turn that it makes him one of them.
The simple fact is the wealthy in this country dont all vote Liberal and they dont all dodge tax and they dont all think the taxpayers should subsidise their lifestyles by taking money from the poor despite the Libbo wanna bes claiming its class war fare to even discuss it.
The wanna bes on here only know of the wealthy through 30 second media sound bites but it would surprise them to know the vast majority of this countries wealthy go about their business without ever going near a news camera or radio microphone.
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Reply #10 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:19am
 
Well, no, they don't pay enough tax!

However, they will not be alone there, as a great deal more, will be required of much fewer, in the years to come.

And, it certainly should not come down to just Tax Rates, the whole system needs to be revamped, to get rid of many tax loopholes, thru which Mack trucks are regularly driven!

AND, it's not just about Revenue, it's also about Expenditure & how we intend to drive Productivity, to allow for the "new norms" in Demographics & Energy!
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Reply #11 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:30am
 
I drove through Hunters Hill Sydney yesterday ( one of the most exclusive places in Australia) and I couldn't help feel ripped off. The beautiful houses with harbour views, the amenities, the everything. A healthy amount of their money comes from the taxpayer  too. 25 minutes away and it's  spray paint and decay. The rich are self servers. Just like in medieval times, the castle takes from the people living around it . Hopefully things will change one day.
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Reply #12 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:52am
 
Enough tax for what

What good is it increasing taxation, when it's used ridiculously inefficiently and haphazardly anyway?  You could increase the tax take 1000% and it still wouldn't be "enough".
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Reply #13 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:56am
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:51am:
To get back to surpluses we need to reinstate Howards record taxation and transfer govt debt back to record household debt..I know the Libbos wont mind  Grin



Then you won't mind giving us the exact policies under Howard that increased tax but Rudd/Gillard abolished
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Reply #14 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 12:06pm
 
I earn around $800 gross a week and pay $200 tax. I doubt the rich are paying 20% tax on their net income.
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