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Reply #15 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:19am

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Labor policy failure created the latest boat fiasco and hundreds of deaths, the graph reflects this and when the Libs get in next year and sanity is restored the graph will flat line again and all the excuses that have been made for the past fives years as to why the boats have returned will be proved BS.

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Nope.Labour removed the former govts inhumane policies then the opposition wouldn't let her install her own. Bow we are back to inhumane.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26509 Australia	Re: 403 boats - 403 policy failures Reply #16 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:20am Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:32pm: The real forgotten victims in all of this are working tax payers No. you arent the victim. The refugees are. SOB
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Reply #17 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:22am

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 9:34pm:

Look who could blame them, I'd do the same, the worst of it is they are met at the gate by hordes of greeny do gooder wankers that encourage them to get straight on disability, they should be met at the gates by farmers needing fruit pickers instead.

Yeah. Wouldn't want to do good now would we. Let them all die in the conditions they fled from.

If the dole is so good why arent you on it? Or are you? Can you cover the rent?

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Reply #18 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 6:21am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 5:19am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Labor policy failure created the latest boat fiasco and hundreds of deaths, the graph reflects this and when the Libs get in next year and sanity is restored the graph will flat line again and all the excuses that have been made for the past fives years as to why the boats have returned will be proved BS.

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Nope.Labour removed the former govts inhumane policies then the opposition wouldn't let her install her own. Bow we are back to inhumane.

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You got alzheimer's or something, SOB? I ask, cos you seem to always forget that the Greens also voted against Malaysia, yet we never hear any criticism of them for that. Also, lets take a proper look at which was the more humane policy. Under the ALP, at least 1000 people have died at sea attempting to come here due to the incentives provided by this government and for those fortunate enough to survive the journey, they are packed in like sardines in detention centres built to hold one-third of their current population. Under the Coalition, I don't recall people dying at sea and certainly those few who did come here weren't crammed into over-crowded detention centres. I'm sure you'll disagree, but clearly the more inhumane of the two governments is the ALP by a wide margin!

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Reply #20 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:03am

According to Abbott its far better for these people to die in their country of origion. According to the Libbos its far better for the women and children to be raped and the men to be tortured and murdered than to attempt to get to a country where they are safe and have a future for themselves and their children.
The only way is onshore processing, for refugees to live in the community while their claims are being processes and for us to set up systems in Malaysia and Indonesia where we can fly genuine refugees into this country before they jump on boats and further risk their lives.
These refugees have no future in Malaysia and Indonesia where they cannot legally earn an income, they get no health care, where their kids get no schooling and where even getting a roof over their heads is close to impossible unless they deal in the black market.
If Julia Gillard is responsible for every refugee that risks getting on a boat then Tony Abbott is responsible for every death and rape and every traumatised child in the refugees country of origin and transfer countries.

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Reply #21 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:05am

adelcrow wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:03am:

According to Abbott its far better for these people to die in their country of origion. According to the Libbos its far better for the women and children to be raped and the men to be tortured and murdered than to attempt to get to a country where they are safe and have a future for themselves and their children.
The only way is onshore processing, for refugees to live in the community while their claims are being processes and for us to set up systems in Malaysia and Indonesia where we can fly genuine refugees into this country before they jump on boats and further risk their lives.
These refugees have no future in Malaysia and Indonesia where they cannot legally earn an income, they get no health care, where their kids get no schooling and where even getting a roof over their heads is close to impossible unless they deal in the black market.
If Julia Gillard is responsible for every refugee that risks getting on a boat then Tony Abbott is responsible for every death and rape and every traumatised child in the refugees country of origin and transfer countries.

No one's stopping them fleeing a war zone. They'd just be better off stopping at the first safe country they come to instead of trying to come here. By transiting through a safe country, they are voiding their claim to be a genuine refugee. Even the UNHCR says so. Your argument is as weak as wet paper...

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Reply #22 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:13am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:05am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:03am:

According to Abbott its far better for these people to die in their country of origion. According to the Libbos its far better for the women and children to be raped and the men to be tortured and murdered than to attempt to get to a country where they are safe and have a future for themselves and their children.
The only way is onshore processing, for refugees to live in the community while their claims are being processes and for us to set up systems in Malaysia and Indonesia where we can fly genuine refugees into this country before they jump on boats and further risk their lives.
These refugees have no future in Malaysia and Indonesia where they cannot legally earn an income, they get no health care, where their kids get no schooling and where even getting a roof over their heads is close to impossible unless they deal in the black market.
If Julia Gillard is responsible for every refugee that risks getting on a boat then Tony Abbott is responsible for every death and rape and every traumatised child in the refugees country of origin and transfer countries.

No one's stopping them fleeing a war zone. They'd just be better off stopping at the first safe country they come to instead of trying to come here. By transiting through a safe country, they are voiding their claim to be a genuine refugee. Even the UNHCR says so. Your argument is as weak as wet paper...

And what is the first safe country they come to armpit?

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Reply #23 - Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:25am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:05am:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 7:03am:

According to Abbott its far better for these people to die in their country of origion. According to the Libbos its far better for the women and children to be raped and the men to be tortured and murdered than to attempt to get to a country where they are safe and have a future for themselves and their children.
The only way is onshore processing, for refugees to live in the community while their claims are being processes and for us to set up systems in Malaysia and Indonesia where we can fly genuine refugees into this country before they jump on boats and further risk their lives.
These refugees have no future in Malaysia and Indonesia where they cannot legally earn an income, they get no health care, where their kids get no schooling and where even getting a roof over their heads is close to impossible unless they deal in the black market.
If Julia Gillard is responsible for every refugee that risks getting on a boat then Tony Abbott is responsible for every death and rape and every traumatised child in the refugees country of origin and transfer countries.

No one's stopping them fleeing a war zone. They'd just be better off stopping at the first safe country they come to instead of trying to come here. By transiting through a safe country, they are voiding their claim to be a genuine refugee. Even the UNHCR says so. Your argument is as weak as wet paper...

Give me a list of safe countries you would move your wife and kids to if you were in the same position these refugees are in.
We know Pakistan, Malaysia and Indonesia are not safe countries for refugees to be in for anymore than a few weeks so is your stance really just "anywhere but here"

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