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Reply #15 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction?

You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con.
A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together. Wink

I agree Abbott has no intention of meeting the targets in the protocol and will dump the scheme if he is elected…..He will also destroy the Murray Darling agreement to ensure the system has no chance to rejuvenate to please his friends in the Nationals!!!

The Coalition's Direct Action policy has no way of achieving the reductions required to meet the protocol and the fact those within the Coalition know this and stay silent is breathtaking.....Our children deserve better leadership than this within the Coalition if we are to have a meaningful environment policy!!!

The Coalition accepts pricing carbon is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce carbon emissions yet somehow gets away with the argument that having a far more expensive and less effective policy that has no chance of success is a better option for the nation.....The long term consequences of an Abbott Government could destroy Australia's future prosperity for decades to come!!!

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Reply #16 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:54pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction?

You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con.
A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together. Wink

I agree Abbott has no intention of meeting the targets in the protocol and will dump the scheme if he is elected…..He will also destroy the Murray Darling agreement to ensure the system has no chance to rejuvenate to please his friends in the Nationals!!!

The Coalition's Direct Action policy has no way of achieving the reductions required to meet the protocol and the fact those within the Coalition know this and stay silent is breathtaking.....Our children deserve better leadership than this within the Coalition if we are to have a meaningful environment policy!!!

The Coalition accepts pricing carbon is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce carbon emissions yet somehow gets away with the argument that having a far more expensive and less effective policy that has no chance of success is a better option for the nation.....The long term consequences of an Abbott Government could destroy Australia's future prosperity for decades to come!!!

Angry

Abbotts recession will force a cut in greenhouse gases Grin

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Reply #17 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:27pm

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

Innocent bystander wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction?

You do realise that the Libs don't really give a poo about meeting CO2 targets and only have a policy at all because a few years back a lot of voters thought AGW was real but now most are convinced its a con.
A few more years of no warming should convince the rest then they will drop it all together. Wink

I agree Abbott has no intention of meeting the targets in the protocol and will dump the scheme if he is elected…..He will also destroy the Murray Darling agreement to ensure the system has no chance to rejuvenate to please his friends in the Nationals!!!

The Coalition's Direct Action policy has no way of achieving the reductions required to meet the protocol and the fact those within the Coalition know this and stay silent is breathtaking.....Our children deserve better leadership than this within the Coalition if we are to have a meaningful environment policy!!!

The Coalition accepts pricing carbon is the cheapest and most effective way to reduce carbon emissions yet somehow gets away with the argument that having a far more expensive and less effective policy that has no chance of success is a better option for the nation.....The long term consequences of an Abbott Government could destroy Australia's future prosperity for decades to come!!!

Angry

Abbotts recession will force a cut in greenhouse gases Grin

When industries close down they will not be enough revenue to pay for Abbott's 1.5% tax on business to pay mothers to stay out of the workforce for 6 months on top dollar...Not that I have anything against mothers but can we really afford Abbott's bid to bribe woman into liking him???

Huh

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax Reply #18 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:35pm Why shouldn't he dump the Protocol?
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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax Reply #19 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:41pm Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:35pm: Why shouldn't he dump the Protocol? Why wouldnt a good Australian government want to get rid of a greens policy used to back stab the people in order to gain power.
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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Our plan to Abolish the Carbon Tax Reply #20 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm Two questions - 1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone? 2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?
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Reply #21 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm

adelcrow wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 5:00pm:

You do realise that the coalition have the same targets for greenhouse gas reduction?
The issue wont go away or cost any less under a Coalition govt..it will just be unfunded and come out of general revenue meaning cuts to education and health.

It may be that the Coalition and Labor have similar goals in relation to dealing with pollution, etc. However, the method of achieving those goals couldn't be more different, with the ALP intent on destroying the economy and scaring off investment (a "no matter what it takes" approach) as opposed to the Coalition's plan that will not cause the same grief as the ALP plan, which is also based on a lie.

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Reply #22 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:51pm

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions -
1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone?
2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

So you accept this has nothing to do with AGW but rather a sneaky way to raise revenue

We will assess if we need the extra revenue once we figured out what Labor wasted all these years

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Reply #23 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:52pm

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions -
1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone?
2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question.

Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right.

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Reply #24 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions -
1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone?
2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question.

Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right.

PN's post ask where we will get the extra funds

but the important thing here is PN assumes the LIBs will continue to be wasteful like the ALP

very sneaky of PN

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Reply #25 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:57pm

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions -
1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone?
2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question.

Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right.

PN's post ask where we will get the extra funds

but the important thing here is PN assumes the LIBs will continue to be wasteful like the ALP

very sneaky of PN

Thats what happens when you lie down with dogs.

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Reply #26 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:50pm

Vic wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:43pm:

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 4:34pm:

http://liberal.org.au/our-plan-abolish-carbon-tax

As soon as an election is called, the Coalition will take immediate and concrete steps to repeal the Carbon Tax.

Repealing the Carbon Tax will ease cost of living pressures on families, help small business and restore confidence to the economy.

On the day the election is called, I will write to the Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to make it clear that, if elected, the first priority of a Coalition Government will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax.

Within the spirit of the Caretaker conventions, I will also formally request the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to desist from making any further determinations in relation to grants, funds or financing.

If elected, the Coalition will take immediate steps to implement our plan to abolish the Carbon Tax.

On day one, I will instruct the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to draft legislation that repeals the Carbon Tax and to have the legislation ready within one month.

On day one, the Finance Minister will notify the Clean Energy Finance Corporation that it should suspend its operations and instruct the Department of Finance to prepare legislation to permanently shut-down the Corporation.

On day one, the Environment Minister will instruct the Department to commence the implementation of the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions.

Within the first month, the Cabinet will approve legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax.

On the first sitting day of Parliament under a Coalition Government, I will introduce legislation to repeal the Carbon Tax.

The first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax.

As soon as the Carbon Tax is repealed, the Environment Minister will introduce legislation to enact the Coalition’s Direct Action Plan on climate change and carbon emissions.

Within the first sitting fortnight of Parliament, the Finance Minister will introduce legislation to shut-down the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.

I expect that the Parliament will respect the mandate of the people and repeal the Carbon Tax.

To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people.

If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament.
We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

Unlike the Prime Minister, I mean what I say: there will be no Carbon Tax under a government I lead.

"the first piece of legislation to be debated in the Parliament will be the repeal of the Carbon Tax."

And when it reaches the senate and is absolutely and positively caned, I will call out Margie to help me, cause those mean senators are hurting poh hubby Grin

Sure about that Vic???

" The Constitution requires a half-Senate election to be held between 1 July 2013 and 30 June 2014, but the first possible date consistent with other requirements would be 3 August 2013. Should the current parliament run to or near its full term (27 September 2013), the elections for the two Houses would coincide"

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Reply #27 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:51pm

To oppose the mandate of a government elected on a platform of abolishing the Carbon Tax would be as reprehensible as the Gillard Government’s action to introduce a Carbon Tax without a mandate from the people.

If Labor and the Greens combine to block the express will of the Australian people, a Coalition Government would seek dissolution of both Houses of Parliament.
We would then introduce the legislation to abolish the Carbon Tax at a subsequent Joint Sitting of the Parliament.

Funny that he had no problem with opposing the mandate to price carbon in 2009/10, wonder if he understands that that was also reprehensible.

I can't wait to see him go to water.

Apparently a carbon tax was the best option when it was Abbott's idea, He clearly does not care about the carbon price its just a vehicle to gain power.

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Reply #28 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

There was no mandate for a carbon tax.

The only party who went into the last election in favor of a carbon tax were the Greens - and those fringe crackpots got 1 in 10 people voting for them.

Whether you like it or not, Julia Gillard declared she wouldn't bring in a carbon tax before the election - and after the election she did.

I am politically neutral on the subject to be honest but the above is simple fact.

Why exactly would a leaked internal Labor memo state that the PM "has a credibility issue with the public on the carbon tax statement that we need to overcome" if it weren't true?

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Reply #29 - Dec 30^th, 2012 at 8:57pm

Maqqa wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:56pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:52pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

Two questions -
1) How many Billions in Revenue will be forgone?
2) What will offset the loss of that Revenue & other Revenue, as the Global & OZ Economies slide back into Recession (at best), over 2013-2014?

You would have to make a good case before you even began to contemplait asking that question.

Pretty sure you will come up with something, but dont expect others to believe you are right.

PN's post ask where we will get the extra funds

but the important thing here is PN assumes the LIBs will continue to be wasteful like the ALP

very sneaky of PN

The economically illiterate Abbott will probably be worse and this additional 100's of billions in cost is on top of their already extensive black hole.

His silly plan is unaffordable and he knows it..

It is not sneaky at all to mention the true position.

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