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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #150 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.



1.  I'm not a "denialist", I am an AGW sceptic.

2.  I certainly am not "arguing that we should continue to pollute like there's no tomorrow".  I have always maintained that I have no problem with carbon taxes or any other precautionary measures.
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Reply #151 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:21pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.


never met a denialist. Met a lot of sceptics however. Most of them are scientists which is not surprising since scepticism is a component of the scientific method.

and the sceptics are making more sense,
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Reply #152 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:06pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.


never met a denialist. Met a lot of sceptics however. Most of them are scientists which is not surprising since scepticism is a component of the scientific method.

and the sceptics are making more sense,

-->> skepticism is scientific method!

lol, go hardcore gold_medal for pointing out the obvious!
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Reply #153 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
The title says "Deniers nailed...."

Does anyone know what we are supposed to be "denying"

Strangely - there are still a handful of people why deny the existence of the vast amount of accumulated evidence that anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses are impacting upon the planet's climate.

Weird huh.
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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #154 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.



1.  I'm not a "denialist", I am an AGW sceptic.

No - if you were a "sceptic", you would be able to mount some sort of coherent arguement as to why virtually the entire global scientific community is wrong in its acceptance of the long-standing theory that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission are impacting upon the planet's climate.

You can't

You simply deny the existance of the evidence.

You are a denier.
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
2.  I certainly am not "arguing that we should continue to pollute like there's no tomorrow".  I have always maintained that I have no problem with carbon taxes or any other precautionary measures.

Why do you "have no problem with carbon taxes " if you accept the overwhelming evidence that carbon emissions are impacting upon climate?
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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #155 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:18pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:21pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.


never met a denialist.

Look in the mirror.

Your denial is so bad you actually tell lies to try to support it.

Why did you write:

"actually glaciers have stopped recending,"

Please provide evidence to support that statement or apologise for lying to the forum.
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Reply #156 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:19pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
The title says "Deniers nailed...."

Does anyone know what we are supposed to be "denying"

Strangely - there are still a handful of people why deny the existence of the vast amount of accumulated evidence that anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses are impacting upon the planet's climate.

Weird huh.


the problem that you continue to deny is that there is a wealth of accumulated evidence to sugges that the current warming is entirely normal and unspectacular.  real evidence supported byb real science and real scientists.

but you ignore then and refute them for only one reason: they dont agree with the consensus. Is there a worse reason to reject it than this?
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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #157 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:20pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 11:57am:
MOTR wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 11:36am:
When issues become politicised the messenger is often attacked. Have a look at who is attacking them.

Quote:
Global warming estimates, media expectations, and the asymmetry of scientific challenges

William R. Freudenburg , Violetta Muselli


ABSTRACT
Mass media in the U.S. continue to suggest that scientific consensus estimates of global climate disruption, such as those from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), are ‘‘exaggerated’’ and overly pessimistic. By contrast, work on the Asymmetry of Scientific Challenge (ASC) suggests that such consensus assessments are likely to understate climate disruptions. This paper offers an initial test of the competing expectations, making use of the tendency for science to be self-correcting, over time. Rather than relying in any way on the IPCC process, the paper draws evidence about emerging science from four newspapers that have been found in past work to be biased against reporting IPCC findings, consistently reporting instead that scientific findings are ‘‘in dispute.’’ The analysis considers two time periods — one during the time when the papers were found to be overstating challenges to then- prevailing scientific consensus, and the other focusing on 2008, after the IPCC and former Vice-President Gore shared the Nobel Prize for their work on climate disruption, and before opinion polls showed the U.S. public to be growing more skeptical toward climate science once again. During both periods, new scientific findings were more than twenty times as likely to support the ASC perspective than the usual framing of the issue in the U.S. mass media. The findings indicate that supposed challenges to the scientific consensus on global warming need to be subjected to greater scrutiny, as well as showing that, if reporters wish to discuss ‘‘both sides’’ of the climate issue, the scientifically legitimate ‘‘other side’’ is that, if anything, global climate disruption may prove to be significantly worse than has been suggested in scientific consensus estimates to date



you clearly are not at all interested in believeing that the IPCC conducts its processes ina  flawed and corrupt manner, predetermining the outcome before reports are written and actively rejecting any reports that dont concur with the orthodoxy.

if you were, our discussions would be a little more centrist and involve that concept you brag about but never employ: CRITICAL REASONING.

Oh dear!

Not just a liar, but a conspiracy theorist too!

Why did you write:

"actually glaciers have stopped recending,"

Please provide evidence to support that statement or apologise for lying to the forum.
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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #158 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:20pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.



1.  I'm not a "denialist", I am an AGW sceptic.

No - if you were a "sceptic", you would be able to mount some sort of coherent arguement as to why virtually the entire global scientific community is wrong in its acceptance of the long-standing theory that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission are impacting upon the planet's climate.

You can't

You simply deny the existance of the evidence.

You are a denier.
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
2.  I certainly am not "arguing that we should continue to pollute like there's no tomorrow".  I have always maintained that I have no problem with carbon taxes or any other precautionary measures.

Why do you "have no problem with carbon taxes " if you accept the overwhelming evidence that carbon emissions are impacting upon climate?


70 years ago the consensus in physics was that there was an 'ether' propogating E radiation. they were wrong. and the proof is schoolboy level. not a good example of hte valueof consensus.
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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #159 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:23pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:19pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
The title says "Deniers nailed...."

Does anyone know what we are supposed to be "denying"

Strangely - there are still a handful of people why deny the existence of the vast amount of accumulated evidence that anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses are impacting upon the planet's climate.

Weird huh.


the problem that you continue to deny is that there is a wealth of accumulated evidence to sugges that the current warming is entirely normal and unspectacular.


Wait?!?!? What?!?!?

Are you telling us that there is "a wealth of accumulated evidence to sugges that the current warming is entirely normal and unspectacular"?!?!?

What warming?!?!?!  You have just spent several pages on another thread telling us that earth IS NOT warming?!?!?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

In your little fantasy world - Is the earth warming or not?  Could you at least get that straight?
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Reply #160 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:26pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:20pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
adelcrow wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:07pm:
The denialists are arguing that we should continue to pollute like theres no tomorrow and there will never be a downside to it.
The rest of us are calling them out for the bullshitters they are.



1.  I'm not a "denialist", I am an AGW sceptic.

No - if you were a "sceptic", you would be able to mount some sort of coherent arguement as to why virtually the entire global scientific community is wrong in its acceptance of the long-standing theory that anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission are impacting upon the planet's climate.

You can't

You simply deny the existance of the evidence.

You are a denier.
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 5:12pm:
2.  I certainly am not "arguing that we should continue to pollute like there's no tomorrow".  I have always maintained that I have no problem with carbon taxes or any other precautionary measures.

Why do you "have no problem with carbon taxes " if you accept the overwhelming evidence that carbon emissions are impacting upon climate?


70 years ago the consensus in physics was that there was an 'ether' propogating E radiation. they were wrong. and the proof is schoolboy level. not a good example of hte valueof consensus.

70 years ago the consensus in physics that increasing the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere would impact upon the planet's climate.

And that consensus has grown stronger ever since.
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Reply #161 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:27pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
The title says "Deniers nailed...."

Does anyone know what we are supposed to be "denying"

Strangely - there are still a handful of people why deny the existence of the vast amount of accumulated evidence that anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses are impacting upon the planet's climate.

Weird huh.

Nuh, everyone feathers their own nest: the tryhards believe they are doing the right thing by their tryhard mates and it makes them more comfortable whenst sipping on cognac or whatever they drink!

I mean, the crack has to get boring one day....................


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Reply #162 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:32pm
 
Even if they consider that there is a small chance that the pollution we have been pumping into the atmosphere since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution is harmful the denialists would still rather keep on chugging away than admit that it would be far more prudent to put a halt to the polluting asap and invest in the research and development of cleaner and more sustainable alternatives.
This is why we are far better off ignoring the denialists...
There will always be an element of society that is self destructive and we should fight against them bringing the rest of us down with them.
One simple question..why not be prudent and invest in clean renewable energy sources instead of continuing to pump pollution into the atmosphere..even if there is just a tiny chance that all this pollution isn't good for us or the planet.
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Reply #163 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:36pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:23pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:19pm:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Maqqa wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
The title says "Deniers nailed...."

Does anyone know what we are supposed to be "denying"

Strangely - there are still a handful of people why deny the existence of the vast amount of accumulated evidence that anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses are impacting upon the planet's climate.

Weird huh.


the problem that you continue to deny is that there is a wealth of accumulated evidence to sugges that the current warming is entirely normal and unspectacular.


Wait?!?!? What?!?!?

Are you telling us that there is "a wealth of accumulated evidence to sugges that the current warming is entirely normal and unspectacular"?!?!?

What warming?!?!?!  You have just spent several pages on another thread telling us that earth IS NOT warming?!?!?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

In your little fantasy world - Is the earth warming or not?  Could you at least get that straight?


you could try a little contextual commentary. noone here is denying that the planet has warmed. No One. most however ARE denying that it is STILL warming and in fact, the evidence says that it isnt. We are also denying thet human-driven notion.

so try and at least represent us with the intellectual honesty your religious ACC heroes do not use themselves.
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Reply #164 - Jan 6th, 2013 at 6:38pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:05pm:
well let's look at the '97% of climate scientists' claim that MOTR makes.

the source of this data is a survey of just two questions - both poorly written and subjective.

it was sent out to 10,000+ 'climate scientists' a massive number of 76 responded. yep, SEVENTY SIX. so in the mother of all self-selction bias surveys, 97% say they support a poorly defined ACC.

there are Womens Day surveys with more statistical credibility than that.

this is an example of the statistical nonsense that passes for science over in the climate hysterical corner.


Oh dear!!!

You really cannot help yourself lying can you!?!  It is like a disease!  You need help.

The ‘Scientific Consensus on Climate Change’: Doran and Zimmerman Revisited

...of the 10, 257 people approached to take part in this survey, 3,146 or 30.7% chose to participate.
http://www.garnautreview.org.au/update-2011/commissioned-work/the-'scientigic-co...

3146.

Not 76.

Try telling the truth instead of just making stuff up.
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