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Reply #210 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

So 75 out of 10000 odd 'climate' scientists believe in AGW. The power of consensus .... Cheesy

That's pretty embarrassing.

Earth scientists, rider. Climate scientists are a much smaller subset. Your comprehension skills barely rise above moronic.

I comprehend that you constantly refer to this study as some form of proof of consensus, you are the moron.

You realise that even with a sample of just 75 a result of 97 has a 95% confidence interval of between 85% and 100%. So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus.

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Reply #211 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:23pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

This is the important information which you're trying to ignore:

"The Doran paper has been criticised by many sceptics in the past, where a survey of 10,256 with 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure, based on just two very simplistic (shallow) questions ... "

You forgot to give your source:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

Great website! Did Jonesy put you on to that one!!!!
You will be quoting Bolty for us next!

as if to prove the point that you ignore any evidence you simply dont like.

What evidence have I ignored?

Greggery's blog contains exactly the same informations as Dorans survey:
it was sent out to 10,000+ 'earth scientists' a massive number of 3149 responded.

Not:
it was sent out to 10,000+ 'climate scientists' a massive number of 76 responded.
as you dishonestly stated.

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Reply #212 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:39pm

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

So 75 out of 10000 odd 'climate' scientists believe in AGW. The power of consensus .... Cheesy

That's pretty embarrassing.

Earth scientists, rider. Climate scientists are a much smaller subset. Your comprehension skills barely rise above moronic.

I comprehend that you constantly refer to this study as some form of proof of consensus, you are the moron.

You realise that even with a sample of just 75 a result of 97 has a 95% confidence interval of between 85% and 100%. So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus.

Here is one of many responses from scientists that actually took part in the survey:

“... scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides ...”

Wink

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Reply #213 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:44pm

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

So 75 out of 10000 odd 'climate' scientists believe in AGW. The power of consensus .... Cheesy

That's pretty embarrassing.

Earth scientists, rider. Climate scientists are a much smaller subset. Your comprehension skills barely rise above moronic.

I comprehend that you constantly refer to this study as some form of proof of consensus, you are the moron.

You realise that even with a sample of just 75 a result of 97 has a 95% confidence interval of between 85% and 100%. So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus.

lol

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Reply #214 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:45pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

This is the important information which you're trying to ignore:

"The Doran paper has been criticised by many sceptics in the past, where a survey of 10,256 with 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure, based on just two very simplistic (shallow) questions ... "

You forgot to give your source:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

Great website! Did Jonesy put you on to that one!!!!
You will be quoting Bolty for us next!

The source doesn't matter, as long as the information is correct.

Are you saying the information is incorrect? Are you Bunny? Really?

Is this correct or not Bunny?

"where a survey of 10,256 with 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure "

Hmmm? Or would you like to deflect again?

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Reply #215 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

So 75 out of 10000 odd 'climate' scientists believe in AGW. The power of consensus .... Cheesy

That's pretty embarrassing.

Earth scientists, rider. Climate scientists are a much smaller subset. Your comprehension skills barely rise above moronic.

I comprehend that you constantly refer to this study as some form of proof of consensus, you are the moron.

You realise that even with a sample of just 75 a result of 97 has a 95% confidence interval of between 85% and 100%. So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus.

Here is one of many responses from scientists that actually took part in the survey:

“... scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides ...”

Wink

No, science doesn't vote!

Who said it did??

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Reply #216 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:49pm

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

So 75 out of 10000 odd 'climate' scientists believe in AGW. The power of consensus .... Cheesy

That's pretty embarrassing.

Earth scientists, rider. Climate scientists are a much smaller subset. Your comprehension skills barely rise above moronic.

I comprehend that you constantly refer to this study as some form of proof of consensus, you are the moron.

You realise that even with a sample of just 75 a result of 97 has a 95% confidence interval of between 85% and 100%. So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus.

lol

What are you laughing at, progs. You don't even believe its been warming.

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Reply #217 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:53pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

MOTR wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:06pm:

Rider wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:01pm:

So 75 out of 10000 odd 'climate' scientists believe in AGW. The power of consensus .... Cheesy

That's pretty embarrassing.

Earth scientists, rider. Climate scientists are a much smaller subset. Your comprehension skills barely rise above moronic.

I comprehend that you constantly refer to this study as some form of proof of consensus, you are the moron.

You realise that even with a sample of just 75 a result of 97 has a 95% confidence interval of between 85% and 100%. So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus.

Here is one of many responses from scientists that actually took part in the survey:

“... scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides ...”

Wink

No, science doesn't vote!

Who said it did??

Just another example of the crap the AGW alarmists come up with.

They love the little '97% survey', and say things like "So yes there does appear to be a very clear consensus."

Yet one of the scientists they love so much, from the '97% survey', says “scientific issues cannot be decided by a vote of scientists. A consensus is not, at any given time, a good predictor of where the truth actually resides".

LOL

The AGW alarmists are losing credibility with each day that passes. Love it Grin

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Reply #219 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:05pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:26pm:

... it was sent out to 10,000+ 'earth scientists' a massive number of 3149 responded ...

You missed out the relevant bit (as usual):

" ... 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure ".

Wink

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Reply #220 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 4:07pm:

This is the important information which you're trying to ignore:

"The Doran paper has been criticised by many sceptics in the past, where a survey of 10,256 with 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure, based on just two very simplistic (shallow) questions ... "

You forgot to give your source:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

Great website! Did Jonesy put you on to that one!!!!
You will be quoting Bolty for us next!

The source doesn't matter, as long as the information is correct.

Are you saying the information is incorrect? Are you Bunny? Really?

Is this correct or not Bunny?

"where a survey of 10,256 with 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure "

Hmmm? Or would you like to deflect again?

Look up Greggery. Post #211

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137490 Gender:	Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings. Reply #221 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:10pm rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:06pm: Look up Greggery. Post #211 So you were just deflecting. I thought so. And just in case anyone missed it: " ... 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure ".
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Reply #222 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Look up Greggery. Post #211

So you were just deflecting. I thought so.

And just in case anyone missed it:

" ... 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure ".

Grin

What do you mean by "whittled down"?

THere were 3146 respondents. Of these 79 were “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR).

This is clearly spelled out in the report.

All of the responses of all respondents were reported - and further classified with respect to their level of expertise w.r.t climate science.

Do you find something unusual about this? What?

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Reply #223 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:34pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Look up Greggery. Post #211

So you were just deflecting. I thought so.

And just in case anyone missed it:

" ... 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure ".

Grin

What do you mean by "whittled down"?

They only used 77 climate scientists to come up with the figure of 97%.

i.e. it's 97% of 77

It's not 97% of 3146

Only 75 climate scientists agree, not 3051.

The figure 3146 is totally irrelevant.

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Re: Deniers nailed misrepresenting IPCC findings.
Reply #224 - Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:34pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:10pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2013 at 5:06pm:

Look up Greggery. Post #211

So you were just deflecting. I thought so.

And just in case anyone missed it:

" ... 3146 respondents was whittled down to 75 out of 77 “expert” ’active climate researchers’ (ACR) to give the 97% figure ".

Grin

What do you mean by "whittled down"?

They only used 77 climate scientists to come up with the figure of 97%.

i.e. it's 97% of 77

It's not 97% of 3146

Only 75 climate scientists agree, not 3051.

The figure 3146 is totally irrelevant.

But but 3146 gives it the credibility it needs. You cant just throw that out. Cant we just forget the 97% comes from only 75 of those.

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