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Reply #240 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:08pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:00pm:
please... make a fool of yourself and say how fabulous the hockey stick is!!!

You are obviously not going to show us any evidence to support you opinion - you never do.  But do you even understand what the "hockey stick" is?

Could you explain to us why you think Mann's paleoclimate reconstructions are in any way relevant to the observed impact of CO2 emissions on global climate today?


Let us throw all common sense away and believe your nonsense for a minute - and say there was some fatal flaw with Mann's reconstruction? (we still await your evidence that there is)

So?!?!?!

Why do you think this is in any way relevant.

Could you explain please


And why did you  describe Murry Goot as a "climate hysteric"?!?!?
It is really getting hard to keep up with your crap.


the evidence hat the hockey stick is fatally flawed is mountainous to the extent that even the pro-ACC lot usually say so as well

and the reason it is still relevant is that it speaks to the credibility of the hysterics thta they cling (as you do) to a proven flawed report in the face of all the evidence. I keep waiting for MOTR to read the book about it so we can discuss it. You could too but I doubt you are up to the challenge.

The hockey stick says that increased CO2 will raise temperaters and now with the UK MET stating that it will be TWENTY YEARS without a temperature rise then... not good.

I await your hysterical response.
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Reply #241 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:50am
 
Longy maybe its time that you just admitted that you dont understand whats going on.
Its obvious that you're constantly grasping at straws because you're looking at ways of covering up your complete ignorance when it comes to basic scientific principals.
Its been explained to you time and time again and there are tens of thousands of papers everyone has easy access to so if you dont understand whats going on by now you never will.
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Reply #242 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 8:26am
 
adelcrow wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:50am:
Longy maybe its time that you just admitted that you dont understand whats going on.
Its obvious that you're constantly grasping at straws because you're looking at ways of covering up your complete ignorance when it comes to basic scientific principals.
Its been explained to you time and time again and there are tens of thousands of papers everyone has easy access to so if you dont understand whats going on by now you never will.


no what you dont understand is that we are now in the 17th year of NO WARMING. after a while, the hysteria of global WARMING looks a little silly when it isnt warming. I dont care if there are a million published papers predicting doom and gloom and forever rising temperatures. When it fails to happen they are provable rubbish. But there aent that many and there are increasing numbers of published research papers showing how ACC has been oversold and that there may not be any 'A' at all. increasing numbers are seeing the recent warming over the last cenutry as nothing more than the normal cycle or warming and cooling and given that the warming has stopped, they have a powerful point.
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Reply #243 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:06am
 
I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
Get used to record-breaking heat: bureau


THE heatwave that has scorched the nation since Christmas is a taste of things to come, with this week’s records set to tumble again and again in the coming years, climate scientists said.

The hottest average maximum temperature ever recorded across Australia – 40.33 degrees, set on Monday – may only stand for 24 hours and be eclipsed when all of Tuesday’s readings come in. Previously, that record had stood since December 21, 1972.


‘‘The current heatwave – in terms of its duration, its intensity and its extent – is now unprecedented in our records,’’  the Bureau of Meteorology’s manager of climate monitoring and prediction, David Jones, said.

‘‘Clearly, the climate system is responding to the background warming trend. Everything that happens in the climate system now is taking place on a planet which is a degree hotter than it used to be.’’

As the warming trend increases over coming years, record-breaking heat will become more and more common,
Dr Jones said.

‘‘
We know that global climate doesn’t respond monotonically – it does go up and down with natural variation.
That’s why some years are hotter than others because of a range of factors.
But we’re getting many more hot records than we’re getting cold records. That’s not an issue that is explained away by natural variation.’’


Australia’s climate is based on an interplay of many factors including regional and local weather patterns, El Nino and La Nina climate cycles and the Indian Ocean dipole, all superimposed on the greenhouse gas-driven warming trend.

While temperatures vary on a local and regional scale, globally it has now been 27 years since the world experienced a month that was colder than average.

The impacts of the rising heat on farming, food, water and human health have been studied closely for years, and the trends being played out now mirror those laid out years ago in projections by the Bureau of Meteorology, the CSIRO and the Garnaut climate change review.

They include heightened bushfire risk, rising sea levels affecting infrastructure and houses all along the coast and, by the end of the century, massive cuts in food production in the Murray-Darling Basin.

According to a peer-reviewed study by the Australian-based  Global Carbon Project, global average temperatures are on a trajectory to rise a further four to six degrees by the end of this century, with that rise felt most strongly over land areas. It would be enough to tip Tuesday’s over-40 temperatures over much of mainland Australia very close to 50 degrees in some parts.

“Those of us who spend our days trawling – and contributing to – the scientific literature on climate change are becoming increasingly gloomy about the future of human civilisation,’’ said Liz Hanna, convener of the human health division at the Australian National University’s Climate Change Adaptation Network.

‘‘We are well past the time of niceties, of avoiding the dire nature of what is unfolding, and politely trying not to scare the public. The unparalleled setting of new heat extremes is forcing the continual upwards trending of warming predictions for the future, and the timescale is contracting.’’

Around the world, 2013 could be the hottest ever recorded by modern instrumentation, according to a recent study by Britain’s Met Office.

It said that, based on the rising background warming trend, 2013 will be 0.43 degrees to 0.71 degrees hotter globally than the average temperature between 1961 and 1990, with a ‘‘best fit’’ of 0.57 degrees warmer.

If that turns out to be accurate, 2013 would surpass the previous record, held jointly by 2005 and 2010.
The Met Office findings are considered telling in the climate science community, because 2013 is set to be a relatively ‘‘neutral’’ year, without a strong El Nino warming cycle to push temperatures up.

The Australian heatwave, which is exceptional, is a continuation of the record-breaking temperatures seen across much of Australia since September, according to the special climate statement issued by the bureau on Tuesday.

The last four months of 2012 were the hottest on record, albeit by just 0.01 of a degree. ‘‘This event is ongoing with further significant records likely to be set,’’ the statement said.

Link -
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/get-used-to-recordbreaking-heat-bureau-2013010...
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This is not about who wins some BS argument, it's about following a standard business practice, of mitigating against likely/probable/possible adverse outcomes, by taking insurance against those adverse outcomes AND THESE CLIMATE CHANGE OUTCOMES ARE ABOUT AS ADVERSE AS YOU COULD THINK OF!
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Reply #244 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:10am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:06am:
I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
Get used to record-breaking heat: bureau


THE heatwave that has scorched the nation since Christmas is a taste of things to come, with this week’s records set to tumble again and again in the coming years, climate scientists said.

The hottest average maximum temperature ever recorded across Australia – 40.33 degrees, set on Monday – may only stand for 24 hours and be eclipsed when all of Tuesday’s readings come in. Previously, that record had stood since December 21, 1972.


‘‘The current heatwave – in terms of its duration, its intensity and its extent – is now unprecedented in our records,’’  the Bureau of Meteorology’s manager of climate monitoring and prediction, David Jones, said.

‘‘Clearly, the climate system is responding to the background warming trend. Everything that happens in the climate system now is taking place on a planet which is a degree hotter than it used to be.’’

As the warming trend increases over coming years, record-breaking heat will become more and more common,
Dr Jones said.

‘‘
We know that global climate doesn’t respond monotonically – it does go up and down with natural variation.
That’s why some years are hotter than others because of a range of factors.
But we’re getting many more hot records than we’re getting cold records. That’s not an issue that is explained away by natural variation.’’


Australia’s climate is based on an interplay of many factors including regional and local weather patterns, El Nino and La Nina climate cycles and the Indian Ocean dipole, all superimposed on the greenhouse gas-driven warming trend.

While temperatures vary on a local and regional scale, globally it has now been 27 years since the world experienced a month that was colder than average.

The impacts of the rising heat on farming, food, water and human health have been studied closely for years, and the trends being played out now mirror those laid out years ago in projections by the Bureau of Meteorology, the CSIRO and the Garnaut climate change review.

They include heightened bushfire risk, rising sea levels affecting infrastructure and houses all along the coast and, by the end of the century, massive cuts in food production in the Murray-Darling Basin.

According to a peer-reviewed study by the Australian-based  Global Carbon Project, global average temperatures are on a trajectory to rise a further four to six degrees by the end of this century, with that rise felt most strongly over land areas. It would be enough to tip Tuesday’s over-40 temperatures over much of mainland Australia very close to 50 degrees in some parts.

“Those of us who spend our days trawling – and contributing to – the scientific literature on climate change are becoming increasingly gloomy about the future of human civilisation,’’ said Liz Hanna, convener of the human health division at the Australian National University’s Climate Change Adaptation Network.

‘‘We are well past the time of niceties, of avoiding the dire nature of what is unfolding, and politely trying not to scare the public. The unparalleled setting of new heat extremes is forcing the continual upwards trending of warming predictions for the future, and the timescale is contracting.’’

Around the world, 2013 could be the hottest ever recorded by modern instrumentation, according to a recent study by Britain’s Met Office.

It said that, based on the rising background warming trend, 2013 will be 0.43 degrees to 0.71 degrees hotter globally than the average temperature between 1961 and 1990, with a ‘‘best fit’’ of 0.57 degrees warmer.

If that turns out to be accurate, 2013 would surpass the previous record, held jointly by 2005 and 2010.
The Met Office findings are considered telling in the climate science community, because 2013 is set to be a relatively ‘‘neutral’’ year, without a strong El Nino warming cycle to push temperatures up.

The Australian heatwave, which is exceptional, is a continuation of the record-breaking temperatures seen across much of Australia since September, according to the special climate statement issued by the bureau on Tuesday.

The last four months of 2012 were the hottest on record, albeit by just 0.01 of a degree. ‘‘This event is ongoing with further significant records likely to be set,’’ the statement said.

Link -
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/get-used-to-recordbreaking-heat-bureau-2013010...
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This is not about who wins some BS argument, it's about following a standard business practice, of mitigating against likely/probable/possible adverse outcomes, by taking insurance against those adverse outcomes AND THESE CLIMATE CHANGE OUTCOMES ARE ABOUT AS ADVERSE AS YOU COULD THINK OF!

It really isnt that good an article to spam the forum with. Even MET office says flat temps for 20 years and this article of yours says 0.71 rise.

I guess the MET office is out of favour ATM.
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Reply #245 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:11am
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:00pm:
there is a MASSIVE body of evidence that the hockey stick is crap.


Let me guess - we are just going to have to take your word on this too.

No evidence to support this opinion of yours of course.

Just another silly statement from a known liar.




Here's a response from one of the scientists that actually took part in the Doran Survey, taken from the appendi of the MSc thesis:

“..The “hockey stick” graph that the IPCC so touted has, it is my understanding, been debunked as junk science..”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

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Reply #246 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:28am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:10am:
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:06am:
I re-post the following here, as it is relevant!

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 11:51pm:
Get used to record-breaking heat: bureau


THE heatwave that has scorched the nation since Christmas is a taste of things to come, with this week’s records set to tumble again and again in the coming years, climate scientists said.

The hottest average maximum temperature ever recorded across Australia – 40.33 degrees, set on Monday – may only stand for 24 hours and be eclipsed when all of Tuesday’s readings come in. Previously, that record had stood since December 21, 1972.


‘‘The current heatwave – in terms of its duration, its intensity and its extent – is now unprecedented in our records,’’  the Bureau of Meteorology’s manager of climate monitoring and prediction, David Jones, said.

‘‘Clearly, the climate system is responding to the background warming trend. Everything that happens in the climate system now is taking place on a planet which is a degree hotter than it used to be.’’

As the warming trend increases over coming years, record-breaking heat will become more and more common,
Dr Jones said.

‘‘
We know that global climate doesn’t respond monotonically – it does go up and down with natural variation.
That’s why some years are hotter than others because of a range of factors.
But we’re getting many more hot records than we’re getting cold records. That’s not an issue that is explained away by natural variation.’’


Australia’s climate is based on an interplay of many factors including regional and local weather patterns, El Nino and La Nina climate cycles and the Indian Ocean dipole, all superimposed on the greenhouse gas-driven warming trend.

While temperatures vary on a local and regional scale, globally it has now been 27 years since the world experienced a month that was colder than average.

The impacts of the rising heat on farming, food, water and human health have been studied closely for years, and the trends being played out now mirror those laid out years ago in projections by the Bureau of Meteorology, the CSIRO and the Garnaut climate change review.

They include heightened bushfire risk, rising sea levels affecting infrastructure and houses all along the coast and, by the end of the century, massive cuts in food production in the Murray-Darling Basin.

According to a peer-reviewed study by the Australian-based  Global Carbon Project, global average temperatures are on a trajectory to rise a further four to six degrees by the end of this century, with that rise felt most strongly over land areas. It would be enough to tip Tuesday’s over-40 temperatures over much of mainland Australia very close to 50 degrees in some parts.

“Those of us who spend our days trawling – and contributing to – the scientific literature on climate change are becoming increasingly gloomy about the future of human civilisation,’’ said Liz Hanna, convener of the human health division at the Australian National University’s Climate Change Adaptation Network.

‘‘We are well past the time of niceties, of avoiding the dire nature of what is unfolding, and politely trying not to scare the public. The unparalleled setting of new heat extremes is forcing the continual upwards trending of warming predictions for the future, and the timescale is contracting.’’

Around the world, 2013 could be the hottest ever recorded by modern instrumentation, according to a recent study by Britain’s Met Office.

It said that, based on the rising background warming trend, 2013 will be 0.43 degrees to 0.71 degrees hotter globally than the average temperature between 1961 and 1990, with a ‘‘best fit’’ of 0.57 degrees warmer.

If that turns out to be accurate, 2013 would surpass the previous record, held jointly by 2005 and 2010.
The Met Office findings are considered telling in the climate science community, because 2013 is set to be a relatively ‘‘neutral’’ year, without a strong El Nino warming cycle to push temperatures up.

The Australian heatwave, which is exceptional, is a continuation of the record-breaking temperatures seen across much of Australia since September, according to the special climate statement issued by the bureau on Tuesday.

The last four months of 2012 were the hottest on record, albeit by just 0.01 of a degree. ‘‘This event is ongoing with further significant records likely to be set,’’ the statement said.

Link -
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/get-used-to-recordbreaking-heat-bureau-2013010...
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This is not about who wins some BS argument, it's about following a standard business practice, of mitigating against likely/probable/possible adverse outcomes, by taking insurance against those adverse outcomes AND THESE CLIMATE CHANGE OUTCOMES ARE ABOUT AS ADVERSE AS YOU COULD THINK OF!


It really isnt that good an article to spam the forum with. Even MET office says flat temps for 20 years and this article of yours says 0.71 rise.

I guess the MET office is out of favour ATM.


So Progs, you are not a believer, IN GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE/S?
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Reply #247 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:42am
 
The BoM and Met and simlar organistions around the world routinely say 'hottest year ever' so often that it has beomce the mantra. They are increasingly looking rather stupid. UK MET was in trouble for saying each year was the hottest ever while the reaility was that Britain had the coldest winters for 40 years.
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Reply #248 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:18pm
 
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So Progs, you are not a believer, IN GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE/S?


Not when the insurance becomes more than the replacement value.

It will cost more, much more to mitigate/insure than it would just to live with a few degrees warming.
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Reply #249 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 1:04pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 12:18pm:
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So Progs, you are not a believer, IN GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE/S?


Not when the insurance becomes more than the replacement value.

It will cost more, much more to mitigate/insure than it would just to live with a few degrees warming.


Progs, Progs, Progs???

It seems you may not have heard the the Stern Report suggests -

Costs
The Stern Review proposes stabilising the concentration of greenhouse-gas emissions in the atmosphere at a maximum of 550ppm CO2e by 2050. The Review estimates that this would mean cutting total greenhouse-gas emissions to three quarters of 2007 levels. The Review further estimates that the cost of these cuts would be in the range −1.0 to +3.5% of World GDP, (i.e. GWP), with an average estimate of approximately 1%. Stern has since revised his estimate to 2% of GWP. For comparison, the Gross World Product (GWP) at PPP was estimated at $74.5 trillion in 2010, thus 2% is approximately $1.5 trillion. The Review emphasises that these costs are contingent on steady reductions in the cost of low-carbon technologies. Mitigation costs will also vary according to how and when emissions are cut: early, well-planned action will minimise the costs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_mitigation#Costs
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Let me ask you and others who do not agree that Climate Change is Real or at least a real problem, a few questions -
Q1) How many Business Leaders/Owners would think it prudent to take insurance cover their business, against the likes of the following Risks, even if they thought it was likely that the Risk would impact greatly or substantially on their Business?   
1) Fire
2) Flood
3) Earthquake
4) Storm
5) Tsunami

A1) 100% of good Business Leaders/Owners would cover their Businesses!

Q2)  How many Business Leaders/Owners would think it prudent to take insurance cover their business, against the the above sort of Risks, even if they thought it was very unlikely that the Risk would ever impact their Business?   

A2) 100% of good Business Leaders/Owners would cover their Businesses, even if they thought the Risk was negligible or zero, because as is well known to the insurance industry, poo HAPPENS, even when it isn't expected & often at the most in-opportune time!

So, we are always well advised to pay a small to medium size "Premium", to try to Mitigate the likelihood of the worst case scenario's from becoming a reality!

2%, 5% 10% of Global GDP, what is an acceptable Risk Mitigation "Premium", to try to stop the worst Climate Change scenario,s???

PS - I would suggest much more than 2% of Global GDP, has already gone into trying to retain the Economic Status Quo & the chances of that happening are ZERO!   
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Reply #250 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 1:05pm
 
I dont half find the whole climate debate boring now.

People sure do get obsessed about it.
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Reply #251 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 1:19pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:08pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:00pm:
please... make a fool of yourself and say how fabulous the hockey stick is!!!

You are obviously not going to show us any evidence to support you opinion - you never do.  But do you even understand what the "hockey stick" is?

Could you explain to us why you think Mann's paleoclimate reconstructions are in any way relevant to the observed impact of CO2 emissions on global climate today?


Let us throw all common sense away and believe your nonsense for a minute - and say there was some fatal flaw with Mann's reconstruction? (we still await your evidence that there is)

So?!?!?!

Why do you think this is in any way relevant.

Could you explain please


And why did you  describe Murry Goot as a "climate hysteric"?!?!?
It is really getting hard to keep up with your crap.


the evidence hat the hockey stick is fatally flawed is mountainous to the extent that even the pro-ACC lot usually say so as well

But you cannot show us this "evidence" - can you.

You lied about glaciers not receding.  You could not show any evidence to support that.
You lied about the MWP being 4 degrees warmer globally than today.  You could not show any evidence to support that.
You lied about glaciers an undersea volcano melting the arctic icecap.  You could not show any evidence to support that.


And once again - you make another stupid statement with no evidence.

We can only assume you are lying again.


gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
The hockey stick says that increased CO2 will raise temperaters and

Excuse me?!?!?!

How did the "hockey stick" say that  that "increased CO2 will raise temperaters"?!?!

You don't actually know what the "hockey stick" is - do you.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
now with the UK MET stating that it will be TWENTY YEARS without a temperature rise then... not good.

Please show us that quote from the MET.

Please show us - or apologise for lying to the forum
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
I await your hysterical response.

I await (and am still awaiting) any sort of evidence for you to suppport these silly lies you keep telling.

Start with your lie about glaciers not receding.
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Reply #252 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 1:20pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 11:42am:
The BoM and Met and simlar organistions around the world routinely say 'hottest year ever' so often that it has beomce the mantra.

THat is because the planet is warming.



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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 1:05pm:
I dont half find the whole climate debate boring now.

People sure do get obsessed about it.

It is the obsessed activist that will make sure you live it every day of your life, even if it is unproven.

The debate must go on until it is proven dis-proven or live your life of perpetual servitude to the cult.
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Reply #254 - Jan 9th, 2013 at 2:31pm
 
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 1:19pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
rabbitoh07 wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:08pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 8th, 2013 at 8:00pm:
please... make a fool of yourself and say how fabulous the hockey stick is!!!

You are obviously not going to show us any evidence to support you opinion - you never do.  But do you even understand what the "hockey stick" is?

Could you explain to us why you think Mann's paleoclimate reconstructions are in any way relevant to the observed impact of CO2 emissions on global climate today?


Let us throw all common sense away and believe your nonsense for a minute - and say there was some fatal flaw with Mann's reconstruction? (we still await your evidence that there is)

So?!?!?!

Why do you think this is in any way relevant.

Could you explain please


And why did you  describe Murry Goot as a "climate hysteric"?!?!?
It is really getting hard to keep up with your crap.


the evidence hat the hockey stick is fatally flawed is mountainous to the extent that even the pro-ACC lot usually say so as well

But you cannot show us this "evidence" - can you.

You lied about glaciers not receding.  You could not show any evidence to support that.
You lied about the MWP being 4 degrees warmer globally than today.  You could not show any evidence to support that.
You lied about glaciers an undersea volcano melting the arctic icecap.  You could not show any evidence to support that.


And once again - you make another stupid statement with no evidence.

We can only assume you are lying again.


gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
The hockey stick says that increased CO2 will raise temperaters and

Excuse me?!?!?!

How did the "hockey stick" say that  that "increased CO2 will raise temperaters"?!?!

You don't actually know what the "hockey stick" is - do you.

gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
now with the UK MET stating that it will be TWENTY YEARS without a temperature rise then... not good.

Please show us that quote from the MET.

Please show us - or apologise for lying to the forum
gold_medal wrote on Jan 9th, 2013 at 7:46am:
I await your hysterical response.

I await (and am still awaiting) any sort of evidence for you to suppport these silly lies you keep telling.

Start with your lie about glaciers not receding.


What little credibility you have is evaporating with every post. the Hockey Stick is well known as junk science and a thoroughly discredited bit of rubbish. There are more proofs around than could fit into a post but I question what the worth wuld be in giving them to you. You would dismiss each and every report for a variety of invalid reasons.

the UK MET on Dec 24 released a report (very quietly) that they expect to see no warming for the next 4-5 years. The link has been givein on here previously. If you didnt read it then it proves my point mentioned above.

the hockey stick has been linked to CO2 and the correlation has been shown to be non-existent.

I dont really care if you believe it or not because you will NEVER believe it - no matter what evidence is produced.
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