Perhaps you could do your own peer reviewed survey. Or, even easier, progs, how about you name one scientific body of national or international standing that does not accept the planet is warming largely due human activity.

MOTR wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 10:24pm:

What are the numbers MOTR (from my previous question http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1356856163/27#27)? Why did you avoid answering that?

In case anyone is still reading this poorly thought out thread.

I thought I would share this logical but obviously poorly understood subject. It is short and intended for thought.

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In other words, it is significant that a land masse (Antartica) has its ice growing, that is unimpeeded by land to break off, escape and melt, where the Arctic is a sea masse that has land surrounding it to trap ice but is melting to normal or less extent.

There seem to be an obvious shift to a warmer north and a cooler south. That is not global. It resembles a tilt toward and away from the sun, north to south, either magnetic or axis. Not saying it is, but something to think about logically. It certainly doesnt resemble CO2 globally as we are told it has to be globally to be CO2, because co2 is not a local phenomena.

progressiveslol wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 11:05pm:


How about a warmer north and a warmer south.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/AntarcticTemperatureChange.png

MOTR wrote on Dec 30^th, 2012 at 11:35pm:

I think the word RE-ANALYSIS should have been an alarm. But not for the likes of you. MODEL would be pretty major as well.

This would be a good place to start for anyone.

Caveats:
•Please read the problem list before using the data.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/reanalysis/problems.shtml

West Antarctica warming fast, may quicken sea level rise REUTERS December 28, 2012 5:15pm


OSLO, NORWAY - West Antarctica is warming almost twice as fast as previously believed, adding to worries of a thaw that would add to sea level rise from San Francisco to Shanghai, a study showed on Sunday.

Annual average temperatures at the Byrd research station in West Antarctica had risen 2.4 degrees Celsius (4.3F) since the 1950s, one of the fastest gains on the planet and three times the global average in a changing climate, it said.

The unexpectedly big increase adds to fears the ice sheet is vulnerable to thawing. West Antarctica holds enough ice to raise world sea levels by at least 3.3 metres (11 feet) if it ever all melted, a process that would take centuries.

"The western part of the ice sheet is experiencing nearly twice as much warming as previously thought," Ohio State University said in a statement of the study led by its geography professor David Bromwich.

The warming "raises further concerns about the future contribution of Antarctica to sea level rise," it said. Higher summer temperatures raised risks of a surface melt of ice and snow even though most of Antarctica is in a year-round deep freeze.

Low-lying nations from Bangladesh to Tuvalu are especially vulnerable to sea level rise, as are coastal cities from London to Buenos Aires. Sea levels have risen by about 20 cms (8 inches) in the past century.

After 20 years of occasionally contradictory results, an international team of 47 researchers, which included scientists from TU Delft and Utrecht University, has reached agreement on the question of how quickly the polar icecaps in Greenland and Antarctica are shrinking. This now appears to be occurring three times quicker than in the 1990s. The melting has caused sea levels to rise by 11.1 millimetres in the previous 20 years. This amounts to a fifth of the total sea-level rise in this period. The researchers will publish their results in Science on 30 November.

The amount of ice loss for Greenland since 1990 appears to match earlier reports. For Antarctica, the researchers have adjusted the loss of ice mass downwards. This means that the loss of ice mass in Greenland is now twice as great as in Antarctica between 1992 and 2011.

However, the increase in the speed of icecap melting is unequivocal: from 0.27 mm per year in 1992 to 0.95 mm per year at present. 'This means that the icecaps of Antarctica and Greenland contribute significantly to the present rise of sea levels and that this is almost certain to continue in coming decades,' according to the head of the research project, professor Michiel van den Broeke of Utrecht University.