MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:35pm:


it also takes the non-thinking masses away from wondering why our coastlines arent being flooded and our termperatures arent going up - a inconvenient fact for the hysterics.

gold_medal wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:27pm:




Don't be a mug, goldie.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:39pm:


What's your point, Maqqa. Australia should be excluded from the solution.

MOTR wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:38pm:


on the subject of mugs... you are dead wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html

MIT Professor Richard Lindzen said :

There has been no warming since 1997 and no
statistically significant warming since 1995.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/15/noaas-15-year-statement-from-2008-puts-a-kibosh-on-the-current-met-office-insignificance-claims-that-global-warming-flatlined-for-16-years/

http://www.thegwpf.org/leaked-ar5-report-global-temperature/

and another - an admission by a PRO-AGW expert

http://www.thegwpf.org/judith-curry-media-should-do-their-homework-communicate-honestly-with-the-public/

particularly note:"Raise the level of your game.  Nothing in the Met Office’s statement or in Nuticelli’s argument effectively refutes Rose’s argument that there has been no increase in the global average surface temperature for the past 16 years.

Use this as an opportunity to communicate honestly with the public about what we know and what we don’t know about climate change. Take a lesson from these other scientists that acknowledge the ‘pause’, mentioned in my previous post " Prof Judith Curry

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:39pm:


I did answer it .. the fact that it wasn't the answer you wanted does not make it any less of an answer.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:48pm:


You're probably the sort of bloke who doesn't follow water restrictions because you con yourself into believing your individual actions mean SFA.

All individuals and all countries have a moral responsibility to contribute to the solution. If all small to middling countries and provinces were swayed by your faulty logic there is no possible solution.

You are right in the sense that we need a global agreement, something that you and your buddies have sabotaged in the past. How can Australia play an active role in pursuing this global agreement if we assume a hypocritical position.

Further, the world is set on a path towards a global agreement and most companies are factoring in carbon pricing because they see it is inevitable. Most sane people realise the alternative is simply unpalatable. To slow the transition of our country to a low carbon economy at this point would be nothing short of economic suicide.

And finally, since we have been given a clear choice between a market solution and direct intervention, who in the right mind would want all the inefficiencies that come with the government meddling in the affairs of industry. Put a price on it and let the ingenuity of the market sort it out.

Maqqa wrote on Dec 31^st, 2012 at 12:37pm:



not one leftie commented on this IPCC finding?

you don't know what 0.21mm looks like? - look in your pants and multiply that by 1,000

talking about multiplying by 1,000

if we multiply 0.21mm by 1,000 years = 210mm = 21cm in 1,000 years???