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Reply #45 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:25pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am:

What Athos is saying is, look, it doesn’t matter whether 41 guestworkers get the chop or not. That’s not the point. We need to stop them coming over here - by forced conversion if necessary.

Who cares whether the original article is dodgy or not? The premise still stands: we’ll be a Muslim country in 15 years time. And what do we base this on?

Well, articles like the above. Articles we need to tweak slightly to make them more truthful.

If evidence is presented to the contrary - lies. How could it possibly be true? We have our surgically-enhanced truthful information. Nothing is more real than what we’ve made up.

This is the Orwellian circus we’ve come to participate in. Stalin couldn’t keep up. Goebbels was an amateur by comparrison. It’s a world where hate-sites are held up as unquestionable fact, and undoctored, unbiased journalism is part of some Satanic conspiracy.

This worldview is not about Islam at all. The enemy will change. It’s about maintaining a permanent state of anger, fear and self-righteous indignation. Emotions like these are much more easily channeled than critical thinking. To present a solution, you always need a problem first. And what better problem than the end of Western civilisation?

In 15 years time.

There was a thread a month or two back commenting on Brussels and its already 25% Muslim population, and that this 25% was almost entirely reached in a period of about 7 years. So there is an element of truth to the comments about Europe becoming Muslim dominated. However, I don't believe that to be the case with Australia. There will be a revolt here before that occurs.

It's a really troubling issue that leftists see no problem with Australia/Europe being a Muslim majority, because the rights that they take for granted won't exist if they get their way. Forget gay marriage, there'll be gay executions!

If there was a rise or import of far-right wing Christian types in Australia or Europe, then the lefties would go berserk.

This hatred of Christianity but love for Islam in modern lefties needs to be taken seriously and studied in detail. The cognitive dissonance going on here needs to be understood.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96660	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #46 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:29pm Assert our own values, eh? Weren’t our poor bretheren in Saudi Arabia plotting to do just that? We should be supporting these people, Yadda. Shouldn’t we send in a diplomatic envoy? Where are we up to with this?
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Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas
Reply #47 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:35pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:25pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am:

What Athos is saying is, look, it doesn’t matter whether 41 guestworkers get the chop or not. That’s not the point. We need to stop them coming over here - by forced conversion if necessary.

Who cares whether the original article is dodgy or not? The premise still stands: we’ll be a Muslim country in 15 years time. And what do we base this on?

Well, articles like the above. Articles we need to tweak slightly to make them more truthful.

If evidence is presented to the contrary - lies. How could it possibly be true? We have our surgically-enhanced truthful information. Nothing is more real than what we’ve made up.

This is the Orwellian circus we’ve come to participate in. Stalin couldn’t keep up. Goebbels was an amateur by comparrison. It’s a world where hate-sites are held up as unquestionable fact, and undoctored, unbiased journalism is part of some Satanic conspiracy.

This worldview is not about Islam at all. The enemy will change. It’s about maintaining a permanent state of anger, fear and self-righteous indignation. Emotions like these are much more easily channeled than critical thinking. To present a solution, you always need a problem first. And what better problem than the end of Western civilisation?

In 15 years time.

There was a thread a month or two back commenting on Brussels and its already 25% Muslim population, and that this 25% was almost entirely reached in a period of about 7 years. So there is an element of truth to the comments about Europe becoming Muslim dominated. However, I don't believe that to be the case with Australia. There will be a revolt here before that occurs.

It's a really troubling issue that leftists see no problem with Australia/Europe being a Muslim majority, because the rights that they take for granted won't exist if they get their way. Forget gay marriage, there'll be gay executions!

If there was a rise or import of far-right wing Christian types in Australia or Europe, then the lefties would go berserk.

This hatred of Christianity but love for Islam in modern lefties needs to be taken seriously and studied in detail. The cognitive dissonance going on here needs to be understood.

You see? Forgotten. 41 of our Christian brothers and sisters facing the sword of Islam in a Saudi jail and you want to wax philosophical about lefties.

Where’s the justice, people?

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #48 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:44pm I don't know if the article is true or not, but celebrating Christmas in a country known for hostility toward Christians is stupid. Being arrested probably serves them right.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96660	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #49 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:52pm Of course the original article isn’t true, but that shouldn’t stop us from trying to do something. Send in the SAS?
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #50 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 2:07pm Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:52pm: Of course the original article isn’t true, but that shouldn’t stop us from trying to do something. Send in the SAS? It so happens that I have pictures of this very event from Dubai. The SAS were heavily disguised of course.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #51 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 2:13pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 1:25pm: There will be a revolt here before that occurs. You think? Youth unemployment in Sydney's west is at 50.9%, if that doesn't stir a revolt I doubt some Muslims will.
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Reply #52 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 3:05pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 12:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:52am:

Big Dave wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am:

It is funny how christmas ruffles many muslims feathers. They'll just have to get used to it because we aint changing for them.

Right. Let’s get a bit of a p!ss up happening over in Mecca, Big Dave. That’ll show em.

What are they going to do? Behead us?

One of the biggest muslim organisations in aus if not the biggest (Lakemba mosque) posted an anti-christmas instruction to all muslims not to even wish people a merry christmas on facebook. It was MADE to take it and wouldn't have otherwise. Why don't you just bend over and atleast try to pull your head out of your ass Karnal. Just a little bit even.

What a load of crap. What actually happened is someone posted a link to some nutcase site on their Facebook page.

Not only did they take the link down, they made a public statement supporting Christmas, the birth of Christ, interfaith dialogue and Muslim.assimilation into Australian culture. If I’m not mistaken, they even put on a Christmas barbecue.

News Ltd, however, reported that the link remained up - wait for it- for almost a day!

The Australian Muslim Association’s Facebook page - now that’s news. Rupert must have round the clock surveilance.

MADE to take the link down? Now let’s see, which organisation polices the internet to make everybody comply to having a jolly Christmas?

ASIO? The religious police? The Australian Retailers Association? Fred Nile’s private militia?

If they didn't agree with the post they put up then why preach about the same thing during their prayers karnal you douche? This extract is from aussiemuslim.com.-Australia's biggest mosque has removed an online post that called for a 'fatwa' against Christmas following harsh condemnation from the Muslim community.

The Lakemba Mosque had posted the religious ruling on its Facebook page on Saturday morning, warning followers it was a "sin" to even wish people a Merry Christmas.

The notion that Muslims wishing other people a merry Christmas will take them out of their faith is outright ridiculous, laughable and borders on the extreme

It followed a similar lecture during Friday prayers at the western Sydney mosque.

One of the posts from the mosque's Facebook page that has been removed.

The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.

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Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas
Reply #53 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 4:08pm

Really? An imam tells Muslims not to celebrate Christmas? What a bunch of killjoys.

I’ll tell you something else: Fred Nile tells his followers not to take part in the Mardi Gras. Can you believe it?

Peter Jensen tells his flock not to get involved in new age "Satanic" practices. He says the only way to God is through Jesus!

What is becoming of our glorious Western existence? Why shouldn’t we just shop and party until we die of fatigue?

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Reply #54 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:11pm

The head imam at Lakemba, Sheikh Yahya Safi, had told the congregation during prayers that they should not take part in anything to do with Christmas.....

What he is really saying is - We tolerate no culture and religion but our own. Islam -the religion of acceptance, peace and tolerance. Even other muslims didn't agree with Lakemba Mosque. Karnal always backs the other side though.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96660	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #55 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:39pm Really? The other Muslims thought Lakemba Mosque were going too far? You seem to know a lot about this, Big Dave. You must have some Inside Knowledge. Nothing wrong with a bit of interfaith dialogue, eh?
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StrangeBedFellow New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2	Re: Saudis arrests 41 people for celebratin Christmas Reply #56 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm The dear Saudis are a bunch of scumbags , in spite of there 'good guy' reputation . If you are an apologist for those things , you are nuts.
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Reply #57 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:52pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Really? The other Muslims thought Lakemba Mosque were going too far?

You seem to know a lot about this, Big Dave. You must have some Inside Knowledge.

Nothing wrong with a bit of interfaith dialogue, eh?

Considering that members of this mosque were involved in one of australia's worst riots only months ago. If you don't think these opinions coming from Lakemba Mosque are a source for concern then you really do have you head stuck in your sphincter. Fred Nile and his followers are never been a part of a violent riot. Why bring their silly opinions up? Considering the muslim community has has members done for terrorist offences crazy iman's should be a concern . Why downplay the issue Karnal. Muslim extremism is a big issue.

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Reply #58 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 7:32pm

Of the 5 US ambassadors killed on duty in the last 40 year, 5 were killed by Muslims.

If only anthropogenic global warming was such an open and shut case.

But let's stand around and be denialists about something obvious and evident. AGW hysterics are phlegmatic about Islam. There's another interesting correlation.

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Reply #59 - Jan 1^st, 2013 at 8:13pm

StrangeBedFellow wrote on Jan 1^st, 2013 at 6:46pm:

The dear Saudis are a bunch of scumbags , in spite of there 'good guy' reputation .

If you are an apologist for those things , you are nuts.

What? Where does this reputation come from?

The Saudis are the biggest arseholes on the planet. The Muslims hate them because they’re in bed with the Amerikans - hence the Europeans hate them too. And the Yanks hate them because they’re Nazi fundamentalists who fund Al Qaida.

Apart from BP, who likes the Saudis?

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