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Reply #30 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:01am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 8:51am:
Can we all have a bit of a round of applause for the Republican Party whose bargaining saw my income band escape the tax rises proposed?

I am ok with increasing taxes on the wealthy - but not the middle.

A good deal for America, a good deal for American families, a good deal for the western world.

Well done the GOP.


What decile do you belong to, Andrei?
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Reply #31 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:09am
 
MOTR wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:01am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 8:51am:
Can we all have a bit of a round of applause for the Republican Party whose bargaining saw my income band escape the tax rises proposed?

I am ok with increasing taxes on the wealthy - but not the middle.

A good deal for America, a good deal for American families, a good deal for the western world.

Well done the GOP.


What decile do you belong to, Andrei?


I am in the band below the Republican level of tax increases and higher than the Democrats desired tax increase populace.

Hence the GOP bailed me out from that lunatic in the White House slugging my family.
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Reply #32 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:14am
 
What deciles are middle class, Andrei?
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Reply #33 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am
 
It's subjective. There is no definitive answer to that.
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Reply #34 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:25am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
It's subjective. There is no definitive answer to that.


You've already answered it, I'm just too lazy to work it out.

"I am ok with increasing taxes on the wealthy - but not the middle"

You obviously classify yourself as middle and you are allegedly paying $65,000 in tax. Now I pay less tax than that and I'm in the top 5% of income earners. I don't belong to the super wealthy but by any measure I'm a long way from the middle.
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Reply #35 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:28am
 
No no no man. The $65k comment was related to the equivalent Aussie person in the job I left there.

I don't pay any tax in Australia, I haven't lived there for 4 years now.
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Reply #36 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 11:08am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 3rd, 2013 at 9:16am:
It's subjective. There is no definitive answer to that.


Really???
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_States

I would suggest that all workers (people with income) are going to pay more taxes, there simply isn't another feasible alternative.

AND, there will need to be some very large changes, to how Business & Government operate!

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Reply #37 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 11:57am
 
Analysis: Cliff deal is another pain-free punt


Congress' hectic resolution of the "fiscal cliff" crisis is the latest in a long series of decisions by lawmakers and the White House to do less than promised — and to ask Americans for little sacrifice — in confronting the nation's burgeoning debt.

The deal will generate $600 billion in new revenue over 10 years, less than half the amount President Barack Obama first called for. It will raise income tax rates only on the very rich, despite Obama's campaign for broader increases.

It puts off the toughest decisions about spending cuts for military and domestic programs, including Medicare and Social Security. And it does nothing to mitigate the looming partisan showdown on the debt ceiling, which must rise soon to avoid default on U.S. loans.

In short, the deal reached between Obama and congressional Republicans continues to let Americans enjoy relatively high levels of government service at low levels of taxation. The only way that's possible, of course, is through heavy borrowing, which future generations will inherit.

While Americans widely denounce the mounting debt, not so many embrace cuts to costly programs like Social Security. And most want tax increases to hit someone other than themselves.

The accord leaves most government programs operating as usual, postponing yet again the threat of serious reductions.

Aside from the payroll tax increase, which drew little debate even though it affects almost all working Americans, the compromise will raise tax rates only on incomes above $450,000 for couples and $400,000 for individuals. That's less than 1 percent of U.S. taxpayers.

Obama had campaigned for thresholds of $200,000 and $250,000.

That might have produced an ugly scene, rattled the financial markets and sparked even more partisan bitterness. But any step toward major deficit-reduction will trigger anger, threats and genuine discomfort for people who receive government services or pay taxes. In other words, everyone.

And such steps can ignite opposition from powerful interest groups, which always stand ready to give money to the campaign opponents of lawmakers who displease them.

Activists on the left and right said the new law doesn't do nearly enough to tame the federal government's borrowing habits.

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka praised elements of the deal. But he said that in postponing $1.2 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years, and leaving the debt ceiling unresolved, it is "setting the stage for more fiscal blackmail."

And high-profile groups such as the Simpson-Bowles commission also recommended tough combinations of tax hikes and spending cuts, calling them necessary even if politically unpopular.

These ideas went nowhere.

Every federal dollar, and every federal program, has avid supporters who can defend their functions. And every sector can explain why higher taxes would burden struggling people at the lower end, and "job creators" at the higher end.

High levels of government service. Low levels of taxation. Big deficits to make up the difference. That's what Americans have demanded and gotten from their federal government for years.

The agreement by Obama and Congress to spare Americans the pain of a fiscal cliff is right in line with that tradition.

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Reply #38 - Jan 3rd, 2013 at 12:47pm
 
The Baby Boomers are not responsible for the Fiscal Cliff...irresponsible and criminal Governance and Social engineering is...Politicians, Media, senior public officials and Business leaders and groups can be assured that in this modern era there are archivists documenting everything they do and say....and they will be held to account for crimes against decency, crimes against peace, crimes against the poor and crimes against humanity... Smiley
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