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Reply #195 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:33pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 4:36pm:
longy said:

Most of us ahve made 100%+ in the last 10 years while you have made 0. even if it dropped 40% we'd still have 60% more than you.


You haven't really made anything until you sell it.

How do you know it won't sell for 50% less than what you paid for it, when the time comes to sell?


'what if' arguments like that are spurious. capital appreciatiion might not be cash in hand until sold but that does not mean that the wealth doesnt exist.

and adelcrows argument is only partly true. I could downsize now to a smaller 'retirement' type home (ugh!) and make $300,000 in cash left over. THAT is how capital appreciation on a family home is realised before you die.

there are also reverse mortgages in old age that also use that value (not that i recomend it)
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Reply #196 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:36pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:59pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
That poor guy was paying 9%.


And he bought a joint for 450K and two years later could only offload it for $350K. Of course according to longloser that could never have happened in Australia because house prices only go up but it did happen !!


well at least you dont have to worry, do you? you dont own a home and never will.  you will always be waiting for that wonderful (to you) 40% drop that the failed-prophet Keen predicts daily and yet never arrives.

the funniest thing is that even if it DID drop 40% you'd still be worse off than the rest of us. Most of us ahve made 100%+ in the last 10 years while you have made 0. even if it dropped 40% we'd still have 60% more than you. (yes I am aware the maths is a little dodgy bu the point is still there)

no matter what happens from this point, everybody will still be better off than you.

hows that make you feel, moron?


you made 100% on paper but the nation is in debt to the tune of 1.3 trillion Sad Does that sound like a good deal ??


on assets of over $4T!! and guess who is part of that gigantic asset pool? YOU
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Reply #197 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 5:54pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:59pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
That poor guy was paying 9%.


And he bought a joint for 450K and two years later could only offload it for $350K. Of course according to longloser that could never have happened in Australia because house prices only go up but it did happen !!


well at least you dont have to worry, do you? you dont own a home and never will.  you will always be waiting for that wonderful (to you) 40% drop that the failed-prophet Keen predicts daily and yet never arrives.

the funniest thing is that even if it DID drop 40% you'd still be worse off than the rest of us. Most of us ahve made 100%+ in the last 10 years while you have made 0. even if it dropped 40% we'd still have 60% more than you. (yes I am aware the maths is a little dodgy bu the point is still there)

no matter what happens from this point, everybody will still be better off than you.

hows that make you feel, moron?


Longy,
You certainly have 3 major problems & probably more, BUT perhaps redeeming feature.

Your most significant problems are the 3 R's, Reading, wRighting & aRithmetic.

Reading
It's apparent that, you a very light on for reading, no doubt preferring your OWN THOUGHTS.

wRiting/wRighting
Your wRighting has 2 major issues -
1) Your spelling is terrible, to the point where it is sometimes difficult to understand what you are trying to say.
2) Your dribble is often Right of Tony Abbottabad & sometimes Right of Genghis Ghan.

aRithmetic
But, by far, Figures are definitely NOT you, BUT at least in some of your more lucid moments, you MAY nearly be aware of your short comings.

So, just to confirm, IF you start with a $1,000,000 house purchase & it goes up 100% in 10 years, that means you have a $1,000,000 profit and you averaged a 10% gain each year. That is an average, NOT compound, BUT neverthe less, a tidy return!

Now, IF at 10 years & 1 day, things turn ugly & you sell at a 40% to what you could have got yesterday, then you will sell for $1,200,00, thus giving you an effective profit of $200,000 over the 10 years & 1 day AND that is an average gain of a basic 2% each year. 

Of course, all of that is before Expenses, such as R/E Agents Commissions & interest on repayments, are considered, so you would be lucky to break even?

And, of course, your redeeming feature, is that your so likeable, as you treat everyone in a fair & friendly manner???

Ya'll have a nice day now, ya hear?


you did see the comment in my post that the maths was dodgy right??? the post wasnt about mathemanatically accurate figures since the point was that a 40% crash would still leave us far better off than renter-nail. maths wasnt the question.

spelling I do well. Typing I do badly. learn to recognise the difference.
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Reply #198 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm
 
Longloser - haven't you seen the spell check tab when you type a message?

What a loser.

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Reply #199 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 7:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:47pm:
Longloser - haven't you seen the spell check tab when you type a message?

What a loser.

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he often doesn't see whats right in front of him ... sort of why he's always arguing with just about every poster on this site
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Reply #200 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:14pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 6:36pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 4:52pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:59pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 3:50pm:
That poor guy was paying 9%.


And he bought a joint for 450K and two years later could only offload it for $350K. Of course according to longloser that could never have happened in Australia because house prices only go up but it did happen !!


well at least you dont have to worry, do you? you dont own a home and never will.  you will always be waiting for that wonderful (to you) 40% drop that the failed-prophet Keen predicts daily and yet never arrives.

the funniest thing is that even if it DID drop 40% you'd still be worse off than the rest of us. Most of us ahve made 100%+ in the last 10 years while you have made 0. even if it dropped 40% we'd still have 60% more than you. (yes I am aware the maths is a little dodgy bu the point is still there)

no matter what happens from this point, everybody will still be better off than you.

hows that make you feel, moron?


you made 100% on paper but the nation is in debt to the tune of 1.3 trillion Sad Does that sound like a good deal ??


on assets of over $4T!! and guess who is part of that gigantic asset pool? YOU


and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ?? Grin

If house prices crash then guess what ? The 1.3 trillion loan is still outstanding + interest !!
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Reply #201 - Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm
 
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and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser
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Reply #202 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
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and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is wroth more every year!
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Reply #203 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:12pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
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and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is worth more every year!


Longweekend,
If some people has followed your insane financial advice they could have lost
as much as 40% of the capital value of their new home.

You live a life of fantasy where you can't ever lose.

forgiven

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Reply #204 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:15pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
Quote:
and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is wroth more every year!


lots of people rent idiot. It's only a big deal to you because that's all you have to show for yourself after 60 years of failed business ventures. Other people like Warren buffet moved on from owning his own house years ago. In fact it's a very mediocre house from what I heard because he found some much better and bigger investments to chase such as the Chinese BYD hybrid/electric car company Wink
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Reply #205 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:19pm
 
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
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and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is wroth more every year!



I thought you said you mortgaged your house to buy a business. If that's the case, you hardly own it.

It's cheaper to rent than buy, and by saving the difference over the years, you could almost buy cash instead of paying all those many thousands in interest.

I wonder who thinks that house prices will double in the next seven years. Isn't that the RE mantra?
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Reply #206 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:26pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:19pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
Quote:
and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is wroth more every year!



I thought you said you mortgaged your house to buy a business. If that's the case, you hardly own it.

It's cheaper to rent than buy, and by saving the difference over the years, you could almost buy cash instead of paying all those many thousands in interest.

I wonder who thinks that house prices will double in the next seven years. Isn't that the RE mantra?


did he really Wink

he might end up like this poor sod whose business collapsed during the GFC when the bank lent her 500K using her own house as collateral Sad

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Reply #207 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
Quote:
and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is worth more every year!


Longweekend,
If some people has followed your insane financial advice they could have lost
as much as 40% of the capital value of their new home.

You live a life of fantasy where you can't ever lose.

forgiven

namaste


well given that house prices in general have never dropped by anywhere near that amount your posts is like so much else that you write: crap. 100% with extra crunchy bits.

you and SOB should bunk together. share your single brain cell. you really are a very stupid person booby.
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Reply #208 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:42pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:15pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
Quote:
and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is wroth more every year!


lots of people rent idiot. It's only a big deal to you because that's all you have to show for yourself after 60 years of failed business ventures. Other people like Warren buffet moved on from owning his own house years ago. In fact it's a very mediocre house from what I heard because he found some much better and bigger investments to chase such as the Chinese BYD hybrid/electric car company Wink


yeah because you and warren buffet share so much in common!!!!!! firstly he OWNS a house and you don't, mediocre or not. Secondly he is an unparalleled success in the field you so decry - investing.

and you live in a single room mocking all the people who were 'stupid' enough to buy homes they have now almost paid off and worth 5-15 times what they paid for it.

you really are a stupid person.
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Reply #209 - Jan 7th, 2013 at 7:46pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 6:19pm:
gold_medal wrote on Jan 7th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 4th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Nail
Quote:
and which bigger fool values the assets ??

and is that before or after a housing crash ??


Hear hear Nail,
& who's the one always giving advice to buy property? -

none other than Longloser


who like so many others on here own a house while stupid-nail is living in a a rented single room. his way of doing things certainly looks SO MUCH BETTER than owning a house that is wroth more every year!



I thought you said you mortgaged your house to buy a business. If that's the case, you hardly own it.

It's cheaper to rent than buy, and by saving the difference over the years, you could almost buy cash instead of paying all those many thousands in interest.

I wonder who thinks that house prices will double in the next seven years. Isn't that the RE mantra?


just when I thought that renter-nail had the dumb comment of the thread you come up with thei whopper of abject stupidity. Proving the inadequacye of your argument is childsplay.

renting at $300/mth means $1200/mth whiole a mortagage might be twice that $2400.
but in 8 years. the mortgage will still be $2400 while rent will have double in line with CPI. IN the meantime the $500,000 you spent on your house has now increased in value to $750,000/

and from that point on there are no savings to be had at all. yoru rent is more than the mortgage.

It was a silly silly comment.
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