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Reply #45 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:01am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:50am:

It seems to be a common thought here that as soon as a person becomes a single parent they have to give up work..that is totally wrong.
The first mistake these people make is to quit their jobs and let the rest of the community look after them until any skills they once had become out of date and useless rendering these people unemployable.

Stay in the workforce, keep updating your skills and you will never have any need to the dole or a single parents pension.
Its the same for single parent families as it is for the majority of two parent families where both parents have to keep working after they start having kids

That sounds great Adel - but most of those people are ferrels -
with no ability to learn anything & no possibility of ever getting a job.

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Reply #46 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:13am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:01am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:50am:

It seems to be a common thought here that as soon as a person becomes a single parent they have to give up work..that is totally wrong.
The first mistake these people make is to quit their jobs and let the rest of the community look after them until any skills they once had become out of date and useless rendering these people unemployable.

Stay in the workforce, keep updating your skills and you will never have any need to the dole or a single parents pension.
Its the same for single parent families as it is for the majority of two parent families where both parents have to keep working after they start having kids

That sounds great Adel - but most of those people are ferrels -
with no ability to learn anything & no possibility of ever getting a job.

broken marriage = feral

dead partner = feral

YOU ARE A FERAL CNT BOBBY Angry

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Reply #47 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:30am

I became a widower in my 30s, to three boys over 10, and it was really, really tough.

It was so difficult having to deal with the overwhelming grief of the children and dealing with their educational needs, as all of my children took 4 months off school, and I was home all of that time to spend time with them, whilst at the same time dealing with my own grief.

But, as hard as it was and has been for me, I at least had a high-paying job to go back to, and things have got better in time.

I can't imagine how it must be for parents out there who lose a spouse, have children and look and look but cannot find a job. It must be absolute torture.

And then to see the person who claims to stand up for families making offensive and insulting comments like these, would just add insult to the injury.

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Reply #49 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:39am

Many people have had grief due to death in their life be it losing a partner or a child and no one is saying that people should not take time off after the death of a loved one but that is nothing like giving up on work and life permanently to live on welfare.
We are talking about those that have taken up living on long term welfare not people that have had some time off to grieve the loss of a loved one.
They are totally different

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Macklin dole gaffe Reply #50 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:46am From the people who brought you (1) There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead and (2) The Budget will be in surplus 2012/13 - no ifs no buts now brings you.... (3) I can live on $35/per
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Reply #51 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:48am

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:01am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:50am:

It seems to be a common thought here that as soon as a person becomes a single parent they have to give up work..that is totally wrong.
The first mistake these people make is to quit their jobs and let the rest of the community look after them until any skills they once had become out of date and useless rendering these people unemployable.

Stay in the workforce, keep updating your skills and you will never have any need to the dole or a single parents pension.
Its the same for single parent families as it is for the majority of two parent families where both parents have to keep working after they start having kids

That sounds great Adel - but most of those people are ferrels -
with no ability to learn anything & no possibility of ever getting a job.

What adel is trying to represent is - these are the rules

But we know these are exceptions to the rules

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Reply #52 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:49am

FRED. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:01am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:50am:

It seems to be a common thought here that as soon as a person becomes a single parent they have to give up work..that is totally wrong.
The first mistake these people make is to quit their jobs and let the rest of the community look after them until any skills they once had become out of date and useless rendering these people unemployable.

Stay in the workforce, keep updating your skills and you will never have any need to the dole or a single parents pension.
Its the same for single parent families as it is for the majority of two parent families where both parents have to keep working after they start having kids

That sounds great Adel - but most of those people are ferrels -
with no ability to learn anything & no possibility of ever getting a job.

broken marriage = feral

dead partner = feral

YOU ARE A FERAL CNT BOBBY Angry

So your saying that after the death of a loved one or breakdown of a marriage that its acceptable to give up on life and live on welfare permanently.
I doubt very much that there would be many people that would give up their jobs to live on the dole for the rest of their lives after the death of a partner..They may take a few months off to grieve and to sort out their lives eg: childcare etc but after that life goes on.
Crikey these days people are remarried in less than 12 mths and spending the life insurance money on holidays and living it up.

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Reply #53 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:53am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:48am:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:01am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 9:50am:

It seems to be a common thought here that as soon as a person becomes a single parent they have to give up work..that is totally wrong.
The first mistake these people make is to quit their jobs and let the rest of the community look after them until any skills they once had become out of date and useless rendering these people unemployable.

Stay in the workforce, keep updating your skills and you will never have any need to the dole or a single parents pension.
Its the same for single parent families as it is for the majority of two parent families where both parents have to keep working after they start having kids

That sounds great Adel - but most of those people are ferrels -
with no ability to learn anything & no possibility of ever getting a job.

What adel is trying to represent is - these are the rules

But we know these are exceptions to the rules

Nope ..what Im saying is we are doing no one any favours by letting live on the dole for the rest of their lives.
All we are doing is setting up families for intergenerational unemployment...Everyone has had some sort of grief in their lives at various times and most people have had to restart their lives once or twice but long term welfare dependence helps no one in the long run.

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Reply #54 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:55am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:46am:

From the people who brought you

(1) There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead

and

(2) The Budget will be in surplus 2012/13 - no ifs no buts

now brings you....

(3) I can live on $35/per

You do realise that the Libs have the same policy on long term welfare recipients.
Or are you suggesting there will be increases in payments and no need for those on welfare to look for work under an Abbott govt?

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Reply #55 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:57am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:53am:

Nope ..what Im saying is we are doing no one any favours by letting live on the dole for the rest of their lives.
All we are doing is setting up families for intergenerational unemployment...Everyone has had some sort of grief in their lives at various times and most people have had to restart their lives once or twice but long term welfare dependence helps no one in the long run.

It's "WE ARE SETTING" them up now

It's society's fault now!!!

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Reply #56 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 11:02am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:57am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:53am:

Nope ..what Im saying is we are doing no one any favours by letting live on the dole for the rest of their lives.
All we are doing is setting up families for intergenerational unemployment...Everyone has had some sort of grief in their lives at various times and most people have had to restart their lives once or twice but long term welfare dependence helps no one in the long run.

It's "WE ARE SETTING" them up now

It's society's fault now!!!

Like I said..its also Liberal Party policy to discourage long term dependence on welfare..for that very reason.
Email your local Liberal member and ask him/her.

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Reply #57 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 11:02am

FRED. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 7:06am:

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 6:35am:

Yep..we all know slash and burn phony tony will be increasing dole payments as soon as he rises to power Grin

If pensioners and those on unemployment benefits think things are bad now just wait until Phony Tony claws back every increase Labor has given them since 2007.
Crikey phony tony once complained that he couldnt live on anything less than a Ministers salary so if he isnt out of touch I dont know who is Grin

Stay on topic WINGNUT IT'S ABOUT MACKLIN NOT MR ABBOTT Wink

Yeah - but it's Abbott's fault that a sitting MP opened her mouth

Because Abbott's misogyny that forced Macklin to say she could live on the dole

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Reply #58 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 11:06am

adelcrow wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:55am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:46am:

From the people who brought you

(1) There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead

and

(2) The Budget will be in surplus 2012/13 - no ifs no buts

now brings you....

(3) I can live on $35/per

You do realise that the Libs have the same policy on long term welfare recipients.
Or are you suggesting there will be increases in payments and no need for those on welfare to look for work under an Abbott govt?

You do realise you are full of sh1t and have no policy documents to prove your assertions

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FRED. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3698	Re: Macklin dole gaffe Reply #59 - Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 11:11am ... wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:33am: FRED. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2013 at 10:13am: broken marriage = feral Marriages don't just spontaneously 'break,' They get broken by one or both parties within it, so let's not pretend it's a blameless situation. FFS SPLITING HAIRS
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