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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #225 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:47pm

Forcing people to vote is neither democratic or in sync with the free world.

As a resident and citizen of other countries now, I haven't bothered to vote in the last five elections.

That is my right.

I should never be told to vote.

What is this North Korea?

(I am in China right now and using their free wifi hence my choice of NK this time out of courtesy...,)

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD Reply #226 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:49pm By the way how is it that China can provide fast, free wifi and yet in Australia you pay at airports and it's slower...... I thought Australia was the developed country and this one developing????
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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #227 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

By the way how is it that China can provide fast, free wifi and yet in Australia you pay at airports and it's slower......

I thought Australia was the developed country and this one developing????

way to go defining 'developed' by access to wi-fi. when china provides something else for free - FREEDOM - then you can talk. i the meantime you sound like the self-centred retard we all believe you to be.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104670 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD Reply #228 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:55pm Quote: self-centred retard Another case of verbal abuse to a poster. forgiven namaste
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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #229 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:26pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

By the way how is it that China can provide fast, free wifi and yet in Australia you pay at airports and it's slower......

I thought Australia was the developed country and this one developing????

way to go defining 'developed' by access to wi-fi. when china provides something else for free - FREEDOM - then you can talk. i the meantime you sound like the self-centred retard we all believe you to be.

Can't answer the question though can you?

Why are the Chinese providing me this access at lightening speed and for free yet in Australia you pay.

Not to mention this place is absolutely spotless clean and customer service is awesome.

The Chinese really do make the Aussies look second rate.

Why? Why is it so much better?

Your answer is freedom? Lol

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD Reply #230 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:30pm Check your PM Andrei
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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #231 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

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In a discussion about democratic systems, it makes sense to discuss democracies - and not just one.

Wouldn't it make more sense to actually discuss democracy, rather than throw out all these meaningless claims about other countries? For example you are yet to explain how 'democratic freedoms' are relevant to compulsory voting, or to justify any of your other attempts to equate democracy and freedom.

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It's actually more that a bit silly to take the tunnel vision approach - the "No! I refuse to look at any other system except Australia's" approach.

No-one is doing that, but if you are going to use other coutnries as an example, simply stating that they do or don't have compulsory voting (the extent of your contribution) is completely meaningless.

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and now "Democratic Freedom" is an irrelevant term regardless of how many universities teach the subject

Apparently so, hence your inability to explain it's relevance.

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Well I've got another fallacy for you - the "discarding unfavorable data fallacy." It's a sure fire way of winning arguments. (but you know that already)

This might have some merit, if you could explain how the 'data' is somehow unfavourable.

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The evidence so far doesn't back up this assertion.

Yes it does.

Andrei:

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Forcing people to vote is neither democratic or in sync with the free world.

Can you explain how it is 'undemocratic'? Do you know what the term means?

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By the way how is it that China can provide fast, free wifi and yet in Australia you pay at airports and it's slower......

It's because you are up to your armpits in chinese people.

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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #232 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:37pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

By the way how is it that China can provide fast, free wifi and yet in Australia you pay at airports and it's slower......

I thought Australia was the developed country and this one developing????

way to go defining 'developed' by access to wi-fi. when china provides something else for free - FREEDOM - then you can talk. i the meantime you sound like the self-centred retard we all believe you to be.

Can't answer the question though can you?

Why are the Chinese providing me this access at lightening speed and for free yet in Australia you pay.

Not to mention this place is absolutely spotless clean and customer service is awesome.

The Chinese really do make the Aussies look second rate.

Why? Why is it so much better?

Your answer is freedom? Lol

and your answer is not??? is there really ANYTHING you care about other than your own needs?

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5471 Gender:	Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD Reply #233 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:56pm you don't pay for wifi at sydney airport. you pay basically at every airport in the u.s.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD Reply #234 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:03pm muso wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:30pm: Check your PM Andrei Yes I got it and replied.
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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #235 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:16pm

freediver wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Apparently so, hence your inability to explain it's relevance.

You must have missed the post where I did exactly that. It refered to liberal democracies as opposed to basic electoral democracies.

It's relevant because freedom and democracy go hand in hand. Without freedom, you can't have an effective democracy. Politics 101.

- and forcing people to vote does not sit comfortably with freedom.

What do you think of Singapore's penalty for not voting ?

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD Reply #236 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:22pm I wish I could send Andrei a PM ... PM Julia Gillard that is
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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #237 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

Yes. Julia Gillard has as much of a clue concerning Democratic Freedom as FD has.

In Australia, there are many examples of the nanny state in action. If we ride a pushbike, we must wear a helmet. We're not allowed to install a mobile phone range extender because Telstra thinks it wouldn't meet their quality guidelines, children are not allowed any risk whatsoever in their lives, and of course we really must force people to vote, because after all nobody would bother otherwise.

We are over regulated in so many ways.

Australians all let us rejoice, for we are young and ..... now what was that word again?

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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #238 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:41pm

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 7:26pm:

gold_medal wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 6:49pm:

By the way how is it that China can provide fast, free wifi and yet in Australia you pay at airports and it's slower......

I thought Australia was the developed country and this one developing????

way to go defining 'developed' by access to wi-fi. when china provides something else for free - FREEDOM - then you can talk. i the meantime you sound like the self-centred retard we all believe you to be.

Can't answer the question though can you?

Why are the Chinese providing me this access at lightening speed and for free yet in Australia you pay.

Not to mention this place is absolutely spotless clean and customer service is awesome.

The Chinese really do make the Aussies look second rate.

Why? Why is it so much better?

Your answer is freedom? Lol

and your answer is not??? is there really ANYTHING you care about other than your own needs?

Still can't answer?
Why is this country - a developing one - putting Australia - the supposed rich, developed one - to shame in customer service and provision of hi tech services at no cost???

Could it be (shock horror) that we are a bunch of apathetic, lazy people and the Chinese are not?

Sydney airport?
I saw the sign "these toilets are cleaned twice a day" in there.
You know what they do here?
There is an attendant who cleans each one after every use (from a bank of 20, Sydney has 3 if I recall).

Is it any wonder given the ready acceptance of Aussies to accept such sub standard service that they accept being marched to the polls under threat of fines????

Trolley - Melbourne $8.
Hong Kong - Free.

Shambles, bloody embarrassing 'tis.

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Re: Campbell Newman to scrap compulsory voting in QLD
Reply #239 - Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:45pm

muso wrote on Jan 6^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Yes. Julia Gillard has as much of a clue concerning Democratic Freedom as FD has.

In Australia, there are many examples of the nanny state in action. If we ride a pushbike, we must wear a helmet. We're not allowed to install a mobile phone range extender because Telstra thinks it wouldn't meet their quality guidelines, children are not allowed any risk whatsoever in their lives, and of course we really must force people to vote, because after all nobody would bother otherwise.

We are over regulated in so many ways.

Australians all let us rejoice, for we are young and ..... now what was that word again?

Muso I have a William hill betting account.
It allows in game live betting. I usually do bets on goal times, half time scores etc.

I tried to place a bet in Australia on my account.

"We are sorry but this account is being accessed from an Australian IP Address. Due to Australian Government restrictions, in game betting is not allowed by law. Please place in game betting on your return to the United Kingdom.
William Hill apologizes for this inconvenience."

Young and free?

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